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NOBODY said the t34 should match the p4, we simply said that 360 muintions and 95 fuel for a tank thats only purpose is to ram, is ridiculous. I should be able to take out a p4 with two or three t34s without taking 80 percent casualties and without having to ram. The t34 should not have the same armor as the p4, but it needs a penetration buff, or a massive resource cost reduction |
Su85 is same cost as PIV and its counter, yet fanbois want a PIV matched T34.
Logic? None. Discussion quality regarding balance has taken a real nosedive with the arrival of some posters.
NOBODY said the t34 should match the p4, we simply said that 360 muintions and 95 fuel for a tank thats only purpose is to ram, is ridiculous. I should be able to take out a p4 with two or three t34s without taking 80 percent casualties and without having to ram. The t34 should not have the same armor as the p4, but it needs a penetration buff, or a massive resource cost reduction. |
I disagree...I think T3 is vital as a Soviet.
My typical build order 3 Conscripts, Maxim, Maxim/Mortar, Guards/Shocks, T70, ZiS, SU-85. I typically skip T1, but will build it and go clown car if I notice heavy MG play. If I'm successful with it, I can usually skip T2 and back-tech if needed.
When my T70 hits the field, there probably aren't any hard counters on the field (maybe schreks but they can be avoided), so I should take a resource advantage at this point. I think this part of the game is key for Soviets to capitalize on. This is when you push the German infantry back, take their fuel, and get aggressive with your MGs. If you go straight to T4, you're forfeiting this opportunity and just asking to be beaten by the superior German armor.
While I'm waiting for the fuel to build T4 and get the SU-85, I dip back into my T2 building and use the surplus manpower to get ZiS as an insurance policy. At a minimum, I should be able to slow down the PIV with AT Nades. Best case, I can finish it off with the ZiS before my SU-85 even hits the field.
As for the SU-85 itself, yeah...it's range might be a little OP. Considering where it and the Pak are meant to engage from, I don't think the Pak is supposed to counter it. Fausts, flanking schrek'd PGrens, and flanking PIVs are the way to go. Don't just drive your PIV straight down the center of the map and get pissed when the SU-85 wrecks it...scout then flank.
I find it hard to disagree with your logic |
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There is a strange lack of airborne troops I noticed |
Man, most of the stuff soviets have are really cheesy.
There are many key differences between soviet maxims and MG34s discussed everywhere:
1. Maxims can't be sniped while forcing retreat, MG34s can
2. Maxims have instant pack up time, MG34s take a while. This means maxims can easily rotate whereas MG34s can't
3. 6 man crew
4. Maxims move really quickly compared to MG34s
So, like I said in different threads, the Maxim is far better than the German counterpart to the point where it's a viable capping unit, unlike the MG34. Would you ever see this in VCoH? I think not.
Damage laughable to grens? Sorry, I tend to be playing a completely different game to you. Molotovs/PPSH (20 muni for siginificant increase in DPS) and HTD make them equal if not better than grens. Try killing a vet 3 conscript. You'll find it much harder than a vet 3 gren.
What you're looking at is the units on paper. But really, in the field, the differences are clear and it is now to the point of abuse.
I'm not saying soviet crews should be 3 men, I'm saying they shouldn't be something ridiculous like 6 with merge as well.
Conscripts with the ppsh and hit the dirt are great, because that commander doesnt have any other dedictated real infantry like shock troops. But regular conscripts are garbage.
Yes the things you said about the maxi are mostly true, but they dont have an instant pack up time. They can easily be rushed and flanked because their suppression is so low. It takes about 4 bursts to get units to even reach suppression and another 4 or 5 for pin. MG42 is almost instant suppression, with a massive firing arc. The main difference is the mg42 is defensive, the maxim is meant to be used as aggressive infantry support. But scout cars, flamenwurfer, mortars, snipers, and pgren infantry rushes all beat a maxim no problem. |
Speaking of which, the soviet PaK is better than the German Pak due to unit crews.
That's how silly 6 man crews are.
Soviets have 6 man weapon crews because they are generally less effective in other areas then their german counter parts. Why dont you guys understand this? The maxim is NOT an mg42 running around with a 6 man crew, lol. It has half the firing arc and less then half the suppression! Conscripts have the worst armor in the game at 1.0 compared to grens at 1.5 and their damage is laughable compared to grens. They are basically meat shields with some utility abilities. And our PAK is only better because it can "bombard" infantry. Like anyone ever bothers with that waste of munitions that can easily be dodged. |
Learn to play, seriously.
*yet another player who rams unsupported and cries for his own failure*
If you want a shit ATG, try PaK.
And this reference to yourself as "we" is hilarious.
Its even funnier that you try to refer to Sov teching as "skipping" a tier, when Sov can freely make the choice, whereas Ost has to linearly tech.
Please, leave.
LOL I have not built a t34 since the patch, so not sure what you are talking about ramming unsupported. The point you are missing is that by CHOOSING t3 you are fucking yourself because you will have no counter to p4s. You will have next to no anti tank. Why would u waste money on t34s when you could spend it on a proper tank like the su85? The t34 has no real purpose anymore since it lost its AT ability, and therefore, the t3 lineup became a liability to build. Try reading |
Ram is instant win button. Now I'm laughing doubly hard at you.
Keep trying to fight a PIV with your cheaper T34 without support and headon and I'll continue laughing at you.
Maybe one day you'll learn some micro and to support its Ram and realise who has the iwin button.
Till then, I find you utterly hilarious.
It is only slightly cheaper, and its the heaviest tank within the t3 lineup. Therefore, by building t3 you basically committ to having NO AT. We have no anti tank infantry to support it like you have shreks. The only realy AT we have is su 85s, those anti tank guns are a joke, and all the other stuff is only good against light armor. So basically everyone is skipping t3 all together and going for su 85s now since the nerf. Its pointless even building t34s. You need to have at least 2 to 1 on the enemies p4s for them to even kill one, WITH ram. Being that the price difference between the two is so minor, thats going to be hard to acheieve. You also will rarly be able to afford both t34s and su85s, so the t34 basically became useless after the nerf.
So why would anyone even bother building a t3 building? It costs the same as a t4 building, and by building a t3 with t34s, you basically fucked yourself against any type of armor. Which we know the p4 is the german instant win button so you know it is used EVERY game, so why would you go t3 over t4, ever? You wouldnt, so the t3 lineup just became useless after one patch, because of whiners like you on the forums. |
irl wait a minute this isn't real life those damn amazing graphics get the better of me from time to time  .
I think your missing one very important tool in company of heores its called flanking/ambushing. the t34s aren't meant to go one on one with a p4 your suppose to use a whole host of units to take it down. heck coh in general isn't meant to just have 1 on 1 engagements your suppose to use all the tools at your disposal. that means infantry, at guns, tanks, mines, etc... (or what we all like to call Combined Arms.)
might be nice to see an upgun t34 kinda like the sherman. (maybe give it a 57mm gun (that gun was better actually for AT.) or drop the 85's doc and make it part of the faction. as right now t34 feels like the t70 does a better job at its role and right now its role seems mostly for ramming. but straight out buffing it to be just as good as its counter part isn't the answer i feel. right now the Russians as a faction are better than the Germans in 1v1s imagine if they could simply go toe to toe with the Germans p4s. O_o
Wifi, we are talking about a very expensive unit here. This is not some cheap tank that is used for flanking ect, if you buy a t3 building and make t34s you basically commit to not having any AT at all other then those useless anti tank guns. You wont be able to afford a t3 with t34s and t4 with su85s, which is the the only real counter to german armor. The t34 is just not worth that, its a waste of money. The t70 does better anti infantry and the t34 is a joke verse any type of armor. Its only purpose is that ram ability, which is a waste of resources big time. Most pro soviets are totally skipping t3 and just builiding su85s because its pointless otherwise. Soon as the p4 rolls onto the field its game over |
I laugh at people who think T34 should match PIV AT.
I laugh at you. Hard.
You laugh at anyone who expects a decent counter to german armors instant win buitton, stfu |
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