Profile of wongtp

lovely, usual relic overbuff. time to jump the mg34 bandwagon.

If you keep your ears opened you can easly avoid the stuka. It's fine for the cost and the long cooldown considering the 2/3 income.

I think the problems come from teamgames and closed maps where it it difficult to catch the stuka off-guard or to hear it.

hi, watch the replays, instant retreat does not, i say again, DOES NOT save squads.

so keeping ear open only lets me know the impending doom.

Yeah. Must be the huge special effects of the stuka strike.

But seriously, it has the lowest squad wiping potential of all weapons that kill more than one model per shell.

All tanks can squad wipe. All tanks have a much faster reload than the stuka zu fuss's cooldown. At max? It can probably wipe 3 squads because of RNG. But that usually doesnt happen as RNG alsp makes squads walk away. Do squads wall away from Tigers, ISU's, t34's, IS-2's, Sturmtigers, King Tigers? The most commonly used squad wiping weapon is THE GRENADE. Many squads have it. Molotovs crit and wipe squads. Flamethrower crit and wipe squads. Grenades land at a squad's feet and kills full health squads. You cant prevent all of this from happening to your squads. You cant prevent crits when you expect something less. The Stuka zu Fuss is another innefficient method at this squad wiping that is so prevalent in this game.

Also, the priest is shell artillery. Its also deadly accurate, especially its own creeping barrage. Its cooldown also isnt bad. You can spend forever blowing up base structures with a stuka zu fuss, but the m7 priest does it very well, especially against OKW trucks. Did i mention USF offmaps demolish set up OKW trucks?

seriously? you are bringing this into the argument?

everything that you said are direct fire units and MUST risk exposure to enemy fire and can be prevented. if a tanks can fire on your squads long enough to wipe squads, there's a player problem. nades are dodgable, with very usually obvious animations or a squad closing in is a good indicator.

like i explained before. stuka do not risk exposure and places all its rounds into a small area in a tiny time frame and nukes everything. that is the main difference.

you might as well say small arms have squad wipe potential too.

I agree with Napalm. I have for the last 8 games as Soviets tried to use a conscript based army against OKW. Its just a bad bad idea. Its even worse if you try Penals. You either need Dual snipers or Maxims to deal with that level of firepower. You need to debuff it so to speak by either suppression or sniping.

Milka you always have good points of course. Talking about Penals and Scripts Volks and Sturms. But one thing you left out of the equation is the first Sturmpio is Free.

So he goes 4x Cons I go 3x Volks I just spent less and have a much stronger fighting force. Then I start to call in Falls or hard tech to obers and LOL.

i believe the problem is not the sturm's cost or whether it is free, i believe the problem is that it is available immediately. they can remove sturms as a starting unit and give okw a more versatile start. refund them the mp, let okw start with 560mp without a starting unit.

this way they can delay sturm's relative early game power and let okw players experience with newer strats.

to be fair, USF starts with a crappy starting unit that deals virtually no damage, both ostheer and soviets need their engie for building construction. there is no reason why okw can have supremacy over everyone by hitting the field faster, going for key cut offs and garrison buildings faster than allied armies or even ostheer.

Stuka is not overpowered at all. As he said, OKW is meant to have units that are EFFECTIVE but EXPENSIVE.

Kat and Pwerf could use a slight buff so that even when firing at blobs, every rocket doesn't spread out and miss but stuka is pretty fine where it is. The few times i've tried to use a kat against OKW hasn't really done much for me but I may need some practice.

To those complaining about getting squad wiped on retreat, that's not the stukas fault, you played someone smart enough to drop rockets on your retreat path while you're there. Would you say that if I was using a preist to do that as well? How about don't retreat when you hear the rockets coming if they are landing on your retreat path, just advance forward or move to the left/right.

Secondly, Stuka has a distinct sound when firing, that can be heard and give you just enough time to move units. Whenever I hear that thing fire in a game, I move my units. Most importantly, I move my AT guns/MGs.

Thirdly, its an artillery piece that launched HE rockets. It's gonna fuck shit up and decrew weapons, that's its design and it's really fucking good at it. All that means is not to just place a static support weapon somewhere and think that area is locked down. Keep moving. Change positions.

390 + 100 fuel is a big deal to lose. Flank the stuka. It's not hard, in most of my 2v2 games I can get some infy behind enemy lines and deal with it. One AT nade and shock troops and the thing is dead is no time. When I see or hear a stuka for the first time on a map, especially early game, I instantly try to sneak around and hunt that thing down. The longer you wait the deadlier it will become.

If they go for the quick stuka, that's fuel not going to any other tanks or vehicles as well as the fact that the only AT capabilities that that player has is the raketenwerfer and the puma, both of which can easily be killed by combined arms attack.

TL;DR Don't line up your shit.

who are you playing against who doesnt move their stuka back to base after firing? good luck flanking that with infantry.

who are you playing against, who doesnt protect their stuka with their entire army? good luck trying to stop a stuka with shocks and conscripts. maybe if you moved up the ladder a little more, people there will protect it to the death. they know its power and they know its a game winner.

a combined arms attack can be pushed off, god forbid if the stuka was firing on your guys too, then you will be in for a bad time. the time a stuka comes, its impossible to get more than 2 tanks, you are going to assume a rakentenwerfer and a schreck and 100% penetration is not good enough against a t34?

i have shown how instant retreat dont save squads, even more so when there is no smoke or indicator where they are firing at. so to play allies i need to be professor x? the degree of error is almost 0 and the shells come down so fast, make the wrong guess and poof goes a squad. do it twice, it would have paid for itself. good luck facing players who plan attacks around the stuka and fires only on engagement, rather than blind firing into the fog. tell me how you are going to relocate your support teams when they are firing on something.

it can launch nukes or v1 for all i care, or even do the space marine orbital strikes. thing is, it should not devastate troops like that, for balance purposes.

i was referring to vcoh style of bombardment. thats the circular area + scatter that i meant. then tone down the aoe of each individual rockets to reasonable levels so the aoe dont cover the space of an idling squad.