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If we were able to implement custom models the 250/22 as an upgrade for the 250 would be an option to replace the Puma in OST doctrines. It would mean there is no need to be concerned about separate balancing for the OST and OKW Puma, and the unit itself would be a better thematic and mechanical fit to OST.

I wonder if the unit could be approximated using tools we already posses?



EDIT: This unit, coupled with the 250 HT, would pretty much define "Mobile defence" as a doctrine. You have vehicle mounted PAK and MG42 support!

So do osttruppen and they still lose to most units.

Because they have 1.25 RA and abysmal rifles, their RA doesn't change until vet3, incidentally. Paratroopers also have six men, and they beat most units.

His post was pointing out that Conscript's strictly worse RA is counterbalanced by the fact they have six men, not that six men is a magic number of men in a squad that magically confers anything, I'm not sure what you're trying to convey here.

You do realize that units are balanced as a whole unit and not individual model vs individual model?
And that 6 men is the reason WHY they have high RA and low DPS?
Volks also used to have that design in comparison to grens, but then they were made into better grens.

Volks are not better Grens, they're entirely different units.

Though I would agree that Volks /should/ have a similar design to Conscripts, in terms of having high survivability/efficiency counteracted by relatively low damage, this suits Volksgrenadiers' role much better than the current design of the unit.

id be very wary of buffing volks combat performance, i think it would just be easier to decrease their cost and make them more cost efficient, im sure by design they are supposed to be like that anyway.

If you decreased Volks' cost you'd need to make their early game performance worse. They /already/ get by due to being fairly cost-efficient in the early game, if they were made cheaper with no further changes I think some factions (Soviets in particular) would have an absolute hell of a time in the early game against them.

(It also kind of doesn't fix the core problem; That you "need" to build four Volks, and so have difficulty fitting Obers in without squad losses)

The B-4 doesn't deserve to be reworked. Its an intentionally designed death cannon that largely had an impact in only team games, and hitting a tank with a direct hit was extremely rare to begin with. I have no justification for the existence of this gun, other than it's unique, memey purpose. Whats more, it needs the accurate shot back, but it does less damage to compensate and not insta kill tanks. Whatever the solution may be, it is not what the modders thought up of.

Might as well give it confetti instead, I'd rather have an useless artillery piece that MIGHT be completely busted, and not this three shot noob trap

It'd be even more useless if it /couldnt/ oneshot mediums, though. It's just a dumb memegun that inhabits a pretty bad design space; Major changes are needed to make it anything less than a retarded and frustrating gimmick, I feel.

Worth stating that Conscripts also have an extra model over Volks/Sections/Rifles, and so strict RA comparisons need to be taken with that in mind.

But there's definitely a lot more that can be done that adds options and actual diversity and uniqueness rather than removing units and abilities from already present and established commanders.

True, but removing units from doctrines can be necessary for Balance purposes, unfortunately. (This is partially caused by doctrines sharing units, actually. It's easier to remove and replace an unit than rebalance the unit directly, as you are simultaneously rebalancing multiple doctrines.)

A lot of this might also be solved if, as we discussed in another thread, Lelic just allowed us to import models/textures again. There's little stopping the balance team adding any of the units you mentioned, other than the inability to add the assets.

And the effort required to design them, obviously.