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Thread: Encirclement doctrine10 Apr 2021, 17:49 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2021, 09:46 AMUnit G17 Indeed it works, especially on maps like red or white ball where you have to cut off only two points, and those points are generally a safe distance behind the frontline. I always pick encirclement over the elephant on those maps. Both those points would generally have Caches placed on them though, surely? I'd have thought that would provide enough of a buffer to allow you to react and prevent a massive cutoff manoeuvre from succeeding, though I haven't really seen it all in action. I haven't actually tested it; Does the Stuka Divebomb both destroy a cache and decap the point underneath unsupported? In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Why no more non-linear teching10 Apr 2021, 17:42 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2021, 05:23 AMZeroZeroNi I'm sorry what. Your saying Units were made so strong that their weakness was negated. HOW TF THAT IS NOT A BALANCE PROBLEM. Like what hell do you people think balance is. "Your[sic] saying Units were made so strong that their weakness was negated" is not what he said, nor what he meant. OKW/USF/UKF units were designed so that they had very prominent strengths, which were intended to compensate for glaring weaknesses. It isnt that they (were supposed to be) so strong that their weaknesses didn't matter, but that their strength in particular areas were to, again, compensate for weaknesses/lacking in others. It's not an unique design choice, though the issue has been that Lelic didn't pull it off well enough, and those factions bounced between overbearing and pathetic because of their somewhat poorly thought out design. This has been improved, in part, by making their teching structures less crippling. Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2021, 12:03 PMC3 TOOTH React to enemy's choice isnt just for Commanders, its also for units/teching. The game used to have Soviet able to push T3 or T4 much earlier on Ost T2 units. The game end right there if Soviet success. If fail, Ost wins. Either you win now, or never win. Nowaday everyone wants to have equal chance in late game. A choice made within the first ten minutes shouldnt all but guarantee a loss at 30-40 minutes. Being able to completely counter an opponent's tech choice doesn't make for good gameplay. I'd argue the same for Commanders, incidentally. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Ostheer Feedback10 Apr 2021, 01:54 AM Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2021, 01:37 AMSkysTheLimit My point exactly though. They both have the elefant and yet one of the commanders is much much stronger. Meaning the elefant clearly isn't the only thing good about it I dunno, the Elefant is absolutely the defining aspect of the doctrines, but that doesn't mean the other parts of it are irrelevant. The Elefant could come practically by itself in a doc, and if that were the only way to get the Elefant, it would still probably be a meta doc. You're both right, but you're not really arguing the same point. Jaeger Armour is meta because of the Elefant. If it did not have the Elefant then it would not be meta, the other Elefant Doc would be instead. The Elefant is the reason they're meta, but the other abilities within the doctrine are why Jaeger is picked over the alternative. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Ostheer Feedback10 Apr 2021, 01:09 AM Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2021, 23:56 PMSkysTheLimit I'm gonna blow your mind, there's another elefant commander and it's not dominating the meta. Sooo, try again I mean, i think that's partially just because Jaeger Armour is pretty much just a better version of that commander. If both commanders were equally good, I'd say they'd possibly both dominate the meta. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - British Feedback9 Apr 2021, 19:37 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2021, 19:34 PMelchino7 Should salvage values be doubled as all wrecks already start at 50% HP? Or make all wrecks start at 100% HP? I really don't see any reason they shouldn't start at 100% HP. Reduce their total HP to 50% of what they are now, if you like, but I really don't see any reason for them to start off visually at half HP (Especially if there's no way to heal them) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: My respond to the accusations9 Apr 2021, 19:35 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2021, 19:24 PMKahootKing He is cheating with the brumbar and the sniper plays, but this whole thing has been blown out of proportion. At most he should've gotten a slap on the wrist If he actually was cheating (Which apparently is the case) I can't say I'd agree that he should have gotten a "Slap on the wrist". Cheating is, and should be, a bannable offence, you're ruining others' experiences, and if you're doing so in a tournament of some variety, you're basically stealing from others. In: Lobby
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback9 Apr 2021, 19:33 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2021, 18:57 PMDescolata The new ML/20 with smoke is an incredible support tool. That smoke is HUGE for infantry pushes and softening positions before pushes. ML/20 is a great support tool next patch. I definitely like the move to make Howitzers a little more Utility focused rather than making them necessarily powerhouse killing machines. The new LEFH ability is similarly a neat sounding utility, though I'd like to see it in action before putting it on a pedestal. I mean, other than the B4 I guess. That's still apparently meant to be a "Make that guy go away" button. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - OKW Feedback9 Apr 2021, 19:30 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2021, 19:12 PMTiger Baron Maybe something like the Command Tiger or a different variant of it? Again it can have the s-mine launcher and other abilities like a smoke screen, tank shock and so forth to bring something new and unique to the table for the OKW and be a nice alternative to the KT. Maybe? I can't say I know exactly what the Command Tiger's statistics really are, I know it's (mentioned?) in the files somewhere, but I haven't really I'd be interested to see, though I would be inclined to veto the idea if the Command Tiger necessarily has a "Command Aura". Auras in general are very prickly for balance, and I think such a thing would be difficult to prevent from being overpowering when combined with HEAT PIVs or PVs. Two other queries: What does the "Tank Shock" ability do, exactly? And when you say "Smoke Screen", do you mean "Panzer Tac" smoke, or something along the lines of the Sherman smoke launchers, Comet/Cromwell Smoke Shells, or the Churchill "Infantry support smoke"? Someone has previously suggested that the Churchill's smoke trail be changed to provide yellow cover to infantry within, rather than blocking vision, I feel like such an ability might be an interesting alternative to the vision blocking/warcrime smoke that factions currently have access to. A potential Command Tiger being able to launch smoke shells that specifically benefit infantry units might be an interesting niche, and I think it would fit the "Elite" theming. Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2021, 19:28 PMVipper And JT where definitively not breakthrough tanks. It certainly Breaks Through enemy armour. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The most disappointing tank is the tiger9 Apr 2021, 19:21 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2021, 19:12 PMelchino7 Because i feel it's day and night when the Tiger and IS2 manage to get vet2. It also makes their counters less effective, specially for OH vs IS2 when their stock vehicle options are either the Stug/Panther, both units with the same range. Improve/make them good at what they already are. Not reduce the effectiveness of their counters. This is one of the things i disliked since 2013. Maybe some day. In the same way i thought that one of the only things that PG needed to be relevant was changing their vet1 to RA. A man can dream. This is fair, and If I'm honest I think I'm inclined to agree. The specific OST comparison is interesting, and it isnt something I'd previously considered. Got any specific ideas in mind, or is this more a case of "General sentiment"? What even is the role that "Heavy" tanks are even meant to fill, anyway? I've never been 100% sure. "Premium premium medium"? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - General Feedback9 Apr 2021, 19:19 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2021, 19:08 PMelchino7 I think that was previous to the last patch. I would have to test them back one by one but i'm still under the impression when considering factors like rotation as well, that the Ostwind lags behind all other dedicated AA units. I normally go by Stein's sheets (though admittedly I don't know if they're 100% accurate, and how often they're updated). It seems to imply that the Flakpanzer ought to be pretty competitive with other AA options... though I suppose whether that's the case in practice is another question entirely. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H5z6szCfhmAAnDprmgwLzc-viZg4HPhKZshNLErvnck/edit#gid=193111409 This sheet specifically. In: COH2 Balance