You have to spend a minimum of 70 fuel just to field a .50 cal AND 57mm. Nobody else comes close to that. Ost spends min 60 to unlock pak 40 but they get the 42 in their HQ
Again not saying the pak howy is fine. But if you're confused about the performance of the .50 cal and 57mm, idk why. Timing. It's that simple. It's 90 fuel minimum if you want all 3. So you want all 3 and an LV? Good luck spending that
Not only that but the 57mm has to pay a muni cost for it to even be effective against axis mediums. There are about 4 - 5 users on this forum that truly believe in their core that USF ATG and .50cal is OP. |
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coh2.org is also the most frequently used forum. The "official" forum is here but it's rarely used.
The CoH2 forums on Reddit and Steam are one giant joke, so I would not recommend using those.
What's wrong with Reddit? |
You don't have to follow me to every thread just because I prideposted and dabbed on your friend with 0 effort
Talk about being salty
On that note -its not suspicious at all that there is Farlion and Farlon both with axis pics-
Just go away, its pretty obvious when a troll group pops up in a 7 year old community. |
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I'm for it. Make the 1919 locked behind the rack and I don't see a problem. Paratroopers were such a large part of US doctrine in WW2 I'd like to see them used in more CoH2 doctrines. The 3CP is certainly too much. USF is too infantry heavy to fit them in your build orders currently. |
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This user has started many threads complaining about allied indirect fire(USF specifically). I think that OP should make this thread in ostheer or OKW tips/strategy forum, asking how to counter these units, instead of posting on balance forum to nerf all IDF units he cant handle. Seriously, look at the post history, this is the third one. |
It's the closest USF can get to the nondoctrinal rocket artillery role (countering blobs and large concentrations of team weapons). The M8 Scott, while very annoying and good in numbers and dealing damage over time, doesn't have incredible DPS/DPM or alpha damage (although it does sometimes if you get really lucky with the scatter) either, nor the range and FoW scatter. Flat out nerfing either one of these would possibly (or even probably) leave the USF vulnerable to the basic strategy of turtling as they do not have other stock alpha damage indirect fire piece like the Stuka, Panzerwerfer or Katyusha to support their pushes or defensive line with.
Therefor I do consider the Pack Howitzer's role in delivering high DPS indirect fire to be crutch. I would personally for both the Pack Howie and the M8 Scott decrease autofire performance while making the barrage slightly better (faster cooldown etc.) to their shift power into the micro department.
Why does USF continue to have to pay a price with increased micro concentration simply because OST wants to never move their units out of cover? I understand asymmetric balance but its hilarious playing a game with USF and then playing an OST one right after. Legit feels like you could fall asleep playing the germans. USF would have no good artillery until major(!!!) when the scott could potentially come out but now you're spending fuel to get a decent IDF unit while axis GrWs and LeiGs walk all over your team weapons. To me this conversation is a non starter and we're only having this conversation because the literal same user keeps making the exact same thread over and over. |
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When will the IRHT be removed? |
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The Pak Howie is expensive and locked behind more expensive tech than similar counterparts (leig). Making the argument it should be on par with the leig is the antithesis to how this game works, more expensive units are better.
There is something that most people are missing in this discussion which is that it's ONLY being viewed through the lense of an OST matchup. There are units that will ALWAYS excel vs certain factions because of playstyle and tools available within timing windows. Because of how OST plays, they will always be vulnerable to indirect fire.
No matter how much you nerf IDF, OST players will still come on to this forum complaining its "overperforming" simply because their units will ALWAYS be static.
OST got MASSIVE buffs this patch, literally all you have to do is put one Pgren squad in a HT and drive up to the paks. There is no way your opponent has 4 - 5 inf squads, 2 pak howies and an ATG/LV at this point in the game.
In my opinion, pak howie is one of the few units that hold together USFs NON-infantry play. If you significantly nerf this unit because its strong vs OST, USF will have to get units added or buffs elsewhere to offset this. the t0 mortar is bad and is only a smoke machine. If you want to nerf the pak howie, where is USF getting effective indirect from?
tl;dr
ost players will always whine about pak howie because of its effectiveness vs playstyle. It will always overperform in this matchup regardless of what balance team does to it. It's telling that OKW players are never complaining about this unit. Lastly, OST are NOT helpless in this situation, they have more than enough tools to trash pak howies. |
Yea i did read. Thats why i asked. Retreating units are moving away from your range. Allies can chase but wehr cant due to dps. Hence im thinking gren can have additional range to compensate.
Pgren can move a bit faster to compensate.
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Removal of ALL unofficial community managers, who have access to Relic only because their friendship with Relic workers, not because merit or knowledge or community long term compromisses.
In reality this happen since the first CoH2 closed alpha in 2012. This explain ALL the garbage we seen in this game for years.
People with different agendas tried to change this game to their personal tastes over the years instead to think on the community in a long term project.
Take this as example: A total mess in OKW faction is a direct result of this bad influence.
In fact the guilty of Relic is not the bad design, but accepted all this bad influence from people who only think themselves. These people dont care about community or the game, they love to show their Relic connections.
Another example: Around 2013-2014 one of this "unofficial community managers" was in charge to control who was in or out in a closed beta Relic product. Lol GG Relic.
I call these people as "Relic friends". A clan with that name is a good idea to this people. 
Tl;dr coh2.org > Relic friends |
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