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Thread: Abandon5 Feb 2021, 17:28 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Feb 2021, 17:19 PMPip The Balance isnt a democracy. The Balance team gets the final say on this, not "7000 active players". Your assessment, by the way, is entirely meaningless then, given that you're inexplicably trying to compare the incomparable. Football isnt a videogame, and it isnt popular because it's "random", it's popular because it's an ancient, and widespread game that's been in cultural view for hundreds of years. There is intentionally as little randomness as possible in Football, incidentally. The Football itself is engineered to be aerodynamic and fly in a predictable arc, and scoring is based on how many goals your team scores. You don't randomly get between 0.5-4 "goals" every time you kick the ball between the posts, nor does the field have concealed holes for players to fall down into, or random obstacles placed before the game. Your example doesn't even follow your argument. CoH2 isnt popular because it doesn't get prize money/marketing efforts due to the fact most pro players/teams won't waste their time training for a game in which they might lose a tournament due to RNG, rather than because they played well. Non pro players also get frustrated by RNG and poor balance such as this and leave the game as well. You realise it isnt just "hulk" who doesn't like RNG Abandons and MGC, right? It's pretty much any pro (Or even just decent) CoH2 player. yes it is a democracy. players can vote with the money and time. relic does gets the final say. killing off the core mechanics because a few forums members deemed it unworthy, not going to fly. in fact, even in this topic, there are members who agree with randonmess and abandon to not kill it off. but to improve and expand on it. football has rng chess doesnt. it is pretty clear, no? football makes big money chess doesnt big money comes from audience willing to pay, willing to be entertained. eek sports are dictated by small bunch players throwing fits to fit their idea world. vonivan is totally ok with randomness. /shoutout respekt to von! imo thats the spirit coh2 players should take. take randomness and get better. take a different approach, outlook and expectations. not all rts has to be sc2 rock paper scissors mirror matchup. In: Lobby
Thread: Abandon5 Feb 2021, 17:07 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Feb 2021, 16:54 PMPip Hey so what's the salary like for a Starcraft 2 pro when compared to a CoH pro, if that's how you're wanting to assess things? Are your personal assessments of casts/players relevant in a balance discussion? my assessment is that, randomness dont stop messi and football from earning big bucks and followings. so i blame hulk the sulk for not adapting to coh2, and wont put him up the pedestal. and it seems coh2 popular issue is not down to randomness in that case. probably due to the lack of prize money and marketing efforts. In: Lobby
Thread: Abandon5 Feb 2021, 17:02 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Feb 2021, 16:58 PMPip No, I'm pretty happy that good players/the balance team seem to agree that RNG Abandon and MGC are bad mechanics. thank god relic has veto powers still. i hope they dont let this slip up. let 7000 players get to the vote. In: Lobby
Thread: Abandon5 Feb 2021, 16:59 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Feb 2021, 16:54 PMPip Hey so what's the salary like for a Starcraft 2 pro when compared to a CoH pro, if that's how you're wanting to assess things? Are your personal assessments of casts/players relevant in a balance discussion? coh pro can go play sc2 if thats the salary they are chasing. dont matter to me. does it affect you? /shrugs. im sure the next 50 down will provide the same entertainment, and less anal about randonmess. as someone mentioned, this balance discussion has become arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. there is a lot of ideas brought up. ultimately, randomness, mgc and abandon are mechanics of coh2. it is up to sega relic where to next. there are 7000 active players, im sure they can put out a vote to keep or delete this. there is no reason why a few forum members get to dictate the core mechanics. In: Lobby
Thread: Abandon5 Feb 2021, 16:54 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Feb 2021, 16:51 PMPip Its definitely good that they've GOT a separate balance patch for Tournaments at the moment, but I do hope Sanders and the other Balans guys bite the bullet and either remove Abandon/MGC from Automatch's patch (or rework them to be less pointlessly random) sooner rather than later. i hope not. removing from automatch? you mad? In: Lobby
Thread: Abandon5 Feb 2021, 16:50 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Feb 2021, 16:49 PMPip You know that Football and Chess aren't comparable games in the slightest, right? Why do you keep trying to make some comparison between a physical team-based sport and a strategy 1v1 game like Chess? an example for chasing controllable outcomes. tightrope 2v2 rando casts >>>>>>> elite top 50 tourney vonivan >>>>>>>>>>> hulk sulk meaning, i would pay money to watch tightrope and vonivan. i totally wont pay to watch 'pro-players' controlling as many factors and to repeat the few maps and meta and no randomness. /shrugs if messi hits the post, he just trains harder and make sure he narrows the angles. In: Lobby
Thread: Abandon5 Feb 2021, 16:48 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Feb 2021, 16:44 PMPip Pro players are also the ones who might actually know how to improve a game, whereas rank 5000 4v4 players do not. Removing or reworking bad mechanics isnt "killing creativity" or making the game "homogenous" no matter how many times you say it, nor is "Eek-sports" a real term despite you constantly forcing it. removing abandon mgc and randomness is not improving coh. stop putting 'top' players up the pedestal. and eek sports is not comparable to real sports if it chases chess like outcome. thats a fact. In: Lobby
Thread: Abandon5 Feb 2021, 16:45 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Feb 2021, 13:14 PMHannibal Abandon would not have changed anything of that, because it is so rare that people would not alter their play style and grand strategy for the possibility of it to happen. Yet, it is often enough that maybe a couple of games would have (unfairly) worked out differently. It's at an very odd place. Too frequent to just ignore it and treat it as a "glitch"-like occurance that you have to live with from time to time, but too rare to incorporate it into the strategy by any means. every bits count. removing more possibilites and desire for controllable outcomes is bad outlook for coh3. im sure if sega offered $1m prize money, and the top 20 players decide not to play because of abandon mgc rng, the next ladder down will still provide the same entertainment and viewership satisfaction. it is just too narrow definition. too elitist to think randomness is poor quality, poor effort, aggression should always be 1 dimensional rewards, no risks. i can throw back that football is the biggest sports in the world, messi 3 years salary crushes all pro-chess players in the world combined many times over. messi has spatial and physical intelligence and still trains as hard in his 30s like his 20s. hulk can continue sulking at coh mechanics /shrug. In: Lobby
Thread: Abandon5 Feb 2021, 16:38 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Feb 2021, 14:46 PMHannibal Well, so tiny that all pro players unanimously agreed that it needs to be removed in tournaments. pro players are tiny by the numbers though. thats too bad. eek sports homogeneity is killing creativity. very narrow definition of balance. we need more vonivans playing and less hulks crying about coh mechanics. In: Lobby
Thread: Abandon5 Feb 2021, 02:40 AM Jump back to quoted post4 Feb 2021, 23:44 PMSander93 Well... none... because they've been using tourney mod for about a year now that removes it. Because naturally all the high tier competitive players voted to get rid of it. hopefully we see more audience and general players influence the flow and choices too. abandon makes for better view ship imo. more viewers more sponsors and rewards i skimped through the last few tourney, same ish meta, same ish build order to exploit the same few maps and we got a familiar flow tightrope 2v2 >>>>> elite tourneys these days imo In: Lobby