Profile of mrgame2

Allied td,s get stronger in their td role because axis have more acces to heavy and superheavy tanks. Axis tanks get more hp or armour or both with vet. No allied tank gets that.

The ost mortar did fire 2 to 3 times as fast. 2 times until about a year ago when mortar rof was brought closer together. Katty is about saturation, its really luck if it wipes a wpn crew.

Allied mg,s may have higher dps but are more likely to eat nades because of lower supression. Maxim is easy to dercrew because of deathloop. In a lot of situations that a maxims get wiped the mg42 almost always escapes.
I think ost team weapons are solid. Yes they are squishy but excel at their job.

Ost always had squishy squads that didnt change, their early game did not suck as hard as sov and usf late game did before. soviets and usf went from sucking hard to being viable late game. Soviets did suck early game and late game at one point. No more paper tanks/tds shooting blanks. No more rngesus inf from soviets.

That imo is the main reason ost appears to struglle now.

That is the thing. Ost heavy and superheavy tanks are gutted, and no longer applies. While Allies TD function get progressive stronger on vet, which makes late game ost really bad, lost on the infantry front and now the tanks.

If we do a simple 50% front + 50% rear armor for total, you get today, and you see why Ost drops off late game. The armor buff at vet2 only bring them closer with Allies heavy. Hence one suggestion is to give panther some AP rounds at vet1. And probably can afford only 1 panther in 1v1 or 2v2, unless you dont care enough to cap against allies superior infantry.

Elefant 255
ISU 247.5

Brumbar 182.5
BrumbarV2 207
KV8 202.50
Churchill 210
Croc/Avre 235

IS2 257.50
Tiger 220

Panther 175
PantherV2 192.50
Pershing 205
Comet 200
KV1 217.50
KV2 240

Their tanks still have more hp and armour mostly. They just dont get to bounce so many shots anymore. The prices of the mediums are pretty close so they should preform pretty simaler as well.

Their support weapons are still better then most direct counter parts from the allies.
Their td and pak dont get 100% stun anymore. Stopping any flank instantly. The ost mortar does not fire 2 to 3 times faster then other mortars anymore. Wich was quite redicoules imo.

Ost had its required micro increased over time. Inf and weapon teams need to support eachother a bit more then before. Their tanks cant yolo in and bounce most if not all at rounds and escape 90% of the time with next to no damage suffered anymore.

I think Ost tanks dont scale as well as allies. Allies TD get stronger in their TD role on vet. The higher hp and armor arent really 'higher' now, considering higher repair times, first shot advantages, 100% pen from (rear)sides, and 100% pen everywhere on vet, fast snares.

Besides, it is the Allies call in tanks and Churchill have overly strong armor and hp for Ost to deal with now.

Usf mortar was the fastest reload and still the fastest and the most accurate(less scatter), thats ridculous.. Ost mortar has slightly faster aim time for first shot, thats about it. Katsuya, Brit base arty and Usf scott/pakhowie are better at decrewing Ost weapon teams.

Imo I wont say Ost weapon teams are clearly better than allies counterparts. Brit have a fast position ATG, Usf have turbo ATG. Allies Mg have higher dps, Maxim is harder to decrew, vickers have slightly better sight, 50cal is deadly. etc and the likes.

I think the problem Ost have is late games, tanks dont scale as well, takes up a bit more resources for their state of performance, infantry support teams are squishy for the price.

I dont think is the micro, but how unforgiving if you make a mistake or your opponent one-up you once.

lets make them 35 mp reinforce again

Yes is fair.
Right now 5 man IS is 28 reinforce 8 pop cap
Grens 30 reinforce 7 pop cap

If i am not wrong bolster also give faster XP.
And you see how much weaker Ost gets late game.
Always pop cap, resource limited.

Wow. That's just an overkill. You serious? Just allow it to repair a bit faster and see how the gameplay develops.

I don't think so, it will be a 1 shot with ammo and cool down. Against 640 tanks, it will take same 4 shots to kill. It's meant to battle kv and Churchill. All allies tanks destroyer got gun buff with vet, panther doesn't. Shooting slightly faster is a global vet bonus.

Yes agree, and for USF, crew repair allow you field more superior infantry!
Allies tanks cost less popcap already.
Besides Allies TD gun improve with vet, and comes with AP or sight rounds, total domination late game.

The whole Ost superior late armor is nonsense in live game now.

Allies late armor are more likely to dominate because of high HP and Armor in case of Brit and Sov, and range, accuracy on move and damages for USF.

You do the sum and can tell why Ost struggle late game.

Ost design is to defend behind cover, but when Allies arty/mortar seems more accurate, we again see Ost late game needs more love.

Unless we change fundamentals, and make rear armor really rear only, the backside of the vehicles and not the 2nd half as it is now. Then i suppose Panther and Brumbar armor is worth a shout.

I have many times got an engine damage P4 to be kill by moving in AT gun because of slow repairs and my MG worth nothing late games against vetted infantry.