Profile of Unit G17

Invisible and incoherent rules are bad for gameplay because no one except for a few diehards will be able to learn them.

And that's why I'm against having 20m reveal radius on grens and JCS. I'm pretty sure all other camo infantry units and perhaps even vehicles have it around 4m (except 251 mobile outpost, I know that one). Replacing the faust with a shorter range at grenade would be a more coherent and visually represented change imo if camo faust is the problem.

By the way, does JCS also get stiel hand grenades, similar to grens upgraded with G43? Would make sense considering that JCS are basicly a 5 men G43 grenadier squad.

-Use sustained fire on maxims
-Zis gun barrage
-Backpedaling T70
-Su-76 barrage
-Close range Katyusha
(-demo charges hidden under bushes, abandoned team weapons and at angles hidden by default camera angle)

I'm pretty sure it's the G43s combined with the offmap abilities that make Jaeger Infantry doctrine so popular, not the camo. I mean on the 3rd place we find Lightning War which also has G43s and stuka loiter, while the next commander with camo, Storm, is on the 14th place (1v1 ostheer).

If the partisans become meta, would their stealth be nerfed too? I mean AT partisan have assault camo (which means they can move around stealthed, unlike grenadiers that are only invisible while standing in cover) and a snare, as well as their very own AT weapon to deal enough damage for an engine critical.

While the subject has been brought up: I think the Jaeger Command Squad is an awkward unit that doesn't contribute enough that other commander abilities don't do already. Maybe it could use more utility/officer abilities?

Ya, JCS is very combat oriented, but it does provide recon, both passively with their insane sight range and actively with flares, as well as smoke nades. These abilities are otherwise not available, or at least not easily (you would need a mortar for smoke, which is not meta in 1v1).

On the other hand these are already available in Storm doctrine in the form of Stuka Smoke drop, that's one of the reason why I have been suggesting to add Stormtroopers instead.

One thing I do want to see tho regarding the JCS is a unique unit icon and portrait. Currently the JCS, JLI and Stormtroopers all share the same portrait.

Jaeger Infantry has been the most dominant pick for 1v1 by far since the Osttruppen nerfs.

I believe it was also the most vetoed commander in ML. Behind the scenes there have been many complaints and worries about it, in particular about camouflaged fausts, so that aspect has been addressed.

I effing knew it, it's because some pros started to use it in 1v1... >:/

Again, either remove it from grens or perhaps make them lose their faust with the upgrade, but not this "all camo infantry units have a standard reveal range except for grens" inconsistency bs. And JCS should keep their normal, 4 range, considering you can have only 1 of them on the field.

Does it maybe help to walk out of cover and back in again?
I sometimes had the feeling this fixes it, however it might have been random chance since it takes a couple of seconds as well during which the game can "realize" the mistake and apply camo correctly.

Ya, I tried that, didn't seem to help. My suspicion is that if you manage to wipe the squad that engaged your stormtroopers or commandos, then re-camoflaging is super fast, I mean immediately kicks in once the engagement crosshair from the unit's icon disappears, otherwise it takes couple of seconds afterwards.