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This is one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen

I fail to understand the point of OP’s post.
OP states a fact about the stats of an ability in the game, and request a change of these stats, but I don’t see any argument as to how this change would improve coh2’s balance or gameplay.

Nowhere in the post does OP explain why this change is necessary or why it would be a positive change. The grenade may be better stats wise than other grenades, but when combined with the Soviet faction it may well be balanced. If OP believes that shocks are making the Soviet faction over perform, and that nerfing them would be best accomplished by nerfing their grenade, it is not mentioned.

If OP believes that the grenade should be changed to be similar to other grenades for gameplay reasons, such as it causing random wipes or it’s power being poorly explained to the payer, it is not also mentioned.

If the the grenade should be changed has been feverenty argued in this thread, but few of the posts have addressed why, if at all, it should be changed, and neither did OP’s post.

So ,I think we should discuss why a change might be necessary before proposing the changes themselves

Would it be medkits like OKW, that heal all surrounding infantry in a radius? Or just a box for 1 squad w/o AOE heal?

If soviets have the ability to heal more than half their army for 15 munitions, there would be little incentive to buy base medics(rather get 1 more cons that can be cheaply healed). 15 muni is not that huge of a muni sink every few minutes.

I'd personally prefer to see a smoke barrage for 30 muni similiar to the ability from Heavy cavalry commander from USF(with a delay of 6 sec or so), but that is possibly a fantasy in this stage of development. Atleast i wouldn't have to buy a mortar if i want to smoke a VP or team weapon.

If I were designing the ability, it would be a 20 munitions for 1 aoe heal crate, with a 3 minute cooldown. The limit to 1 every 3 minutes would mean that you could not keep your entire army healed the entire time, and keep in mind that you would have to keep the M3A1 alive Untill you build T3.

This would mean that even if you managed to keep the M3 alive, you would spend the entire time until T3 is purchased with no healing if you don’t get medics, and even after T3 you would be unable to heal your full army.

So then you run into the issue where a Panther loses up close to an E8 and loses at range to a Jackson so you basically can not use any armour if the enemy fields both an E8 and a Jackson. so gg?

If we consider a Jackson - reworked E8 versus 2 panther scenario, I don’t think this would be the case, as it would still be about positioning, just the optimal positions would be different.

The USF player would want to whittle down the panthers at max range with his Jackson, while the E8 protects it from dives. If the USF player messes up with the Jackson, the Ost player can just dive past the E8 and kill the Jackson, or if he messes up with the E8 the panthers can snipe it and the Jackson won’t have the dps to kill the panthers before the E8 dies.

Conversely, if the USF player plays well, he can whittle down a panther with his Jackson and then dive it with the E8, killing the panther, or if the panthers dive and he keeps the Jackson at max range while microing the E8 to point blank, he can also kill the panthers.

So there are ways for each side to win

You won't see E8s because usf has enough AI they can double down on the best AT in the game. They don't need to dilute their AT in favor of more AI unless they feel like it and even then, Scott's or even an HE m4 would do better.

It needs refined and it needs a role of its own. Being an optional variant in a faction with great stock specialist just doesn't blend. Especially not when you have to pay a premium for them. Let alone picking a commander just for the privilege.

Does this mean you are for a rework like my proposal? Or is your point that you think people still wouldn’t buy it even with my proposed rework