Profile of Mr Carmine

I'm not sure about even that, honestly. I'd still consider the Molly/AT grenades to be general teching, and their price should be added to the Soviets' "Total tech costs" to reach certain tiers/units, rather than being considered part of an unit's cost (Even if it does affect only a certain squad)

My understanding is that these allied techs are pared out from the regular tech costs in order to make allied teching more "flexible". I.E; You're supposed to be able to get Molly/AT earlier than OST/OKW can get their grenade + snare (As they require BP1/a tech truck to be built, respectively) OR skip that tech in order to be able to reach your T70 or medium tank more quickly.


To this end: Molly/AT + tier 3 should cost slightly more than OST BP1 and tier 2 (To account for the flexibility afforded by them being split), but going for tier 3 without Molly/AT should be discounted when compared to BP1/tier 2. (Assuming everything else is equal, of course. Raw MP/MU/FU pricing for things can be a little misleading sometimes)

How do the numbers work out at the moment, actually? I haven't looked at tech costs in a while. (Ignore healing for either faction for now)

I hope that, even if you still disagree, you understand why I (And to my knowledge; The Balans Teem) consider this the case.


EDIT: As a last thing: honestly, even if you might consider these techs part of Conscripts' cost: I do think they're the best/most cost-effective mainline squad in the game.

Firstly i agree fully that conscripts are the best mainlines overall while not being dps focused. Truly a great unit.

This didnt come from you but people keep refering and complaining that cons are the cheapest and according to some thus op.
Concripts are only so good when investing heavely or a doctrine in them. And they use this as an excuse to buff grens and volks.

I fully understand your reasoning on tech costs. I also agree that its intended to make allied tech flexible as multyple units benefit from it and can be an advantidge if played right.

But where i somewhat disagree is with molly and at nade tech. It feels like its original intent was to inflate cost off cons. And fill two ability slots on a single unit.
As it was about a low tier tech structure in cost for just a snare and weak anti garrison. The current price is fair. Its 125mp and 15 fuel i believe.

I think that cost of atnade/molly plus t3 should be more then ost bp1 and t2 is fine. Btw 15 fuel is about 45 seconds to a minute right?
Maybe it will allow the m5 or even su76 some room if you go t3 first and delay atnade and molly. And still go for t4 and t34 earlier becaus the t70 isent mandatory anymore.

Now that I think about it, imagine having casual VS. ranked COH gameplay like CSGO too. In casual, AIs can be replaced by players joining in. No leave penalty because other players can hotswap. In ranked, if you queue up for it and leave mid game it's tough luck. Nobody made you queue up.

While i agree with the idea the coh2 playerbase is to small to implement this i am afraid.

So we wanna go full fascist in team games regarding quiting/leaving and possibly afk?

So say someone needing to stop quit because something happens in the house with the kids or pets or the wife/girlfriend, or heaven forbids his internet connection is lost, they need to get multyple hours of penalties if he is the first to go?

What kind of entitled mentality is this? You are forced to finish the game wich i got for free with me or else....

its a game people, it isent life and death. 3s and 4s is for shits and giggles if you wanna go esport competitive go 1v1.

So, I ran a very primitive test to actually see the difference between LMG grens and VSL grens.

At 20 range, against Vet3 Double BAR riflemen, at Vet3, behind green cover.
I ran a total of 20 runs each.

My observation is,
The time difference between the VSL and standard LMG grens to get wiped is really small. There were even 4 cases where LMG Grens outlasted the VSL and the difference between the amount of manpower bleed both upgrades dealt was almost indifferent.

Seriously, I wonder if my cases were all the extremes or if I did something wrong ? I'd like to see some other persons tests but from my observations, the upgrade is just bad for a doctrinal upgrade that the commander is all about considering you are giving up on the long range DPS which will add more bleed to the enemy, you don't get the so called "insane survivability" and for short range, you have the PGrens anyways.

I think testing is vs explosives tanks shells is smart. I think this was the intent of the chance, not inf combat with small arms.

I'm not the one saying it's bad other people are. And so I wasn't sure if it is bad or good because I'm low xp. If it is still a viable choice great! That's exactly what I'm hoping for. It just happens to he my favorite gren upgrade so I would be sad if it is not good.

I think a lot of people undervalue the field presence it can give and the muni and mp it can save with free med kits. Its not as noticable as raw dps.