Besides that, we should probably want the internal design and look of each faction to be consistent with what they’re based on. Even in COH2, which might have some holistic immersion breaking moments, the individual factions don’t have units that are out of place on the level of the BP.
Pershing is definitely out of place for USF. They were supposed to be pre/during battle of the bulge, and relatively resource strapped (compared to USA military as a whole)
Its so out of place that Relic didnt even try to make it a tru heavy. THey just made it a super medium. Its mobility is off the charts compared to all the other heavy tanks |
I live in Europe and it was part of Blair's argument in joining the war in Iraq.
I even see it today in the papers for other wars and no I am not talking only about the USA.
From Ancient times brutal acts of war have been "justified" by a noble causes like religion but in the last around 100 years "democracy" has been used as alibi for a number of wars including WWII.
Yes of course, but the "historical community" is hardly responsible for those myths. If anything they r the ones putting in the most effort to scrap them. Delusional politicians in every country r usually the ones propping up their country (mostly because they r leading it)
But i dont rly see how "democracy" was an excuse in ww2. Maybe once it started it was part of the propaganda, but pretty much everyone ignored the nazis until they started attacking (or until being attacked by japan in the case of USA) |
Yes, that's another reason why I'm against the Black Prince. For Relic to start keeping its damn words. First, stating that historicity and authenticity are important to us, and we listen to the community. And then they themselves broke their promises.
So im starting to think we agree on more than we disagree
I guess where u lose me is i dont understand the surprise (for lack of abetter word) Or why this is enough to make u not buy coh3
Is BP the straw that broke the camels back then? Cuz my opinion is that the back was broken a long time ago, but the core of the gameplay is still great imo so i still enjoy it |
Ask Relic why they broke their word that the second part will be completely devoted to the Eastern Front and now in the third part we will play the same US and Britain factions for the third time, even more USA the third time is a direct copy of the US from the first time .
But thats my entire point, why r u still taking relic on the word? What were u expecting? They break their rules all the time
If i remember correctly USF in coh2 was supposed to be based around the fights leading to and during the battle of the bulge, where their resources werent as dominantly available as they were throughout the war. And then they added the fucking pershing.... |
As for the "historical community" imo it should be more concern about debunking the myth that WWII was about democracy fighting totalitarian states (since the same myth is still being used today, see the Iraq invasion) than weather Sherman was a better tank than the Panther.
Where do u see this myth? I live in the US, very few ppl here are still under the impression that US is always the good guy
Iraq war is a hilarious example, it literally proves the opposite. It is constantly cited as an example of our government completely abusing its authority. Has a very similar view to that of vietnam, waste of lives to accomplish the goals of a few assholes |
The Black Prince was finished two years after the North African campaign ended. That is way more of a stretch than overrepresenting a rare vehicle.
And how about the 3 allied factions consistently fighting alongside each other? Especially with the soviets. Its one thing for the brits and US to work together, that actually happened
But for soviets to be frequently fighting next to US or brits?
I agree thats different than including the BP, but thats not the point. The point is: Why does the BP break immersion for some ppl when the above example does not? |
Everybody agrees with my bottomline which is: COH was always freehanded with its depiction of HISTORY, but the HISTORY BEING DEPICTED WAS ALWAYS ON POINT.
That sentence literally contradicts itself. Honestly amazing that u even wrote that and posted it
Don't bother to speak for others, there have already been polls and the poll showed that this is a 50/50 ratio. So it is unnecessary to state here that only a small number of people care that the Black Prince breaks the authenticity and opens the doors for the World of Tanks to the Company of Heroes.
I dont think ppls problems with the BP are just about history tho. I dont want it in the game either, but thats cuz I dont want heavy tanks in general
Much rather the game revolve around lights and mediums, which is both authentic to the part of the war coh3 focuses on, but more importantly, its more interesting from a gameplay perspective
Uber units make the gameplay dumber and more stale. Coh2 has proven that a ton |
Retarded comparison.
ST ACTUALLY fought in the frontlines and has an interesting combat history.
It's rare in the sense that it was produced only in 20 numbers.
R u fucking blind? Or just dumb? I literally said that ST actually fought in that post.....
The only reason i brought it up is because of its role in coh2. At multiple points u would see one every single game because of the meta
The point is coh constantly ignores history in many different ways. ST was rare irl and yet it dominated the meta multiple times
THe only thing thats retarded is that my example doesnt bother u but the mere existence of the black prince does. Ur just drawing a subjective line that barely anybody else on the forum agrees with |
This is just pure nitpicking if you ask me. We can as well say, why "War Machine" existed in vCoH, because it also does look kinda fictional. I will repeat myself again, lets just sum up what kind of fiction was allowed for CoH across both games:
1) Misrepresentation of units
2) Some fictional abilities on units
3) Rare or super rare used equipment representation
4) Believable abilities made to fit gameplay
5) Fictional, but belivable, ammunition on a small scale (grenades mostly)
6) Pure gameplay abilities which-in the scope of represented factions (vCoH USA "War Machine")
7) Wrong time periods
8) Wrong availability of rare equipment
Where would you put Black Prince? It wasn't finished, it wasn't used, it wasn't put into a production. Literally 6 were made and all 6 were prototypes. Besides the fact that BP looks like a ww2 tank, it doesn't fit into any category CoH previously allowed itself to mess with.
Its plenty close enough to option number 3 imo....
Sturmtiger was extremely rare, and yet during multiple periods of the coh2 meta u would see one EVERY single game. Yet most WW2 vets wouldnt even recognize one if u showed them a picture
Sure ST was actually used in ww2, not disputing that. But as long as BP isnt dominating the meta i dont see the problem
"This existed on the front AT LEAST once" is a silly line to draw imo. Especially in a franchise that has warped that line all over the place |
Are we playing the same game? The IS-2 is extremely rare on the battlefield, it is a rather mediocre tank that is constantly complained about as well as the Pershing, especially reading that the US faction was designed without a heavy tank at all and was not planned to be added to the game until the players demanded.
Yeah its currently rare.... game has been out for 9 years man, at multiple points during that time is2 was extremely common, which is what i was talking about. Same goes for Pershing, which is totally still useable (in 2v2 at least)
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