Profile of Willy Pete

If any liberty taken is acceptable because liberties were taken previously, it follows that anything goes. If we want to have ‘were designed by ww2 engineers’ as a condition, we can but that would lead to the inclusion of vehicles like tortoise or the centurion. It’s your and esxile’s argumentation that went down this line. I had to explain why the BP crossed a line, which is impossible

But i didnt say that any liberty is acceptable. For fucks sake

Saying that my argument justifies including m1 abrams was totally fucking absurd

I guess we can leave all of that aside and focus on the Black Prince in comparison to COH2 vehicles. The Jagdtiger and the Sturmtiger aren’t seen every match. They are extremely rare in 1v1 and 2v2 and less common than the KT. Moreover, these vehicles were used in the Ardennes, so their inclusion of a faction based around that makes sense. It’s an overrepresentation (a rare on at that) but not borderline fiction.

Im not talking about exsluvisely now. The ST dominated team game meta multiple times after certain patches

And the JT isnt rare at all otuside of 1v1. EXTREMELY common in all modes with 2 players or more

Overrepresenting vehicles that were there is not the same as including a vehicle that was finished two years after fighting ended in a particular theater. It’s like saying that giving the DAK a Stumtiger is the same as giving OKW a Sturmtiger. Off course, the timeline isn’t the only thing that matters but the game needs to cohere somewhat to it. The inclusion of specific theaters and parts of WW2 is pointless otherwise.

I didnt say its the same. Im not sure y i have to keep telling u what im not saying

My entire point is that relic has a pattern of ignoring history. U can say BP is further our of timeline than other violations. Fine. But its well within their overall pattern of ignoring history/realism

The speed of tanks offroad in coh2, the accuracy of air to ground attacks, the frequency of heavy tanks, flares providing recon (lol), US and Brits fighting regularly on the eastern front, the list goes on. Sure those arent the same as including BP, but they break immersion enough for me that i dont expect relic to try to keep up the ruse of this being an authentic ww2 game

Why are you fine with the inclusion of the BP if you didn’t like the Sturmtiger and Jagdtiger. You’re taking a gamble as far as frequency of the BP goes and it makes the inclusion of vehicles like the King Tiger fair game. I don’t understand at all how you can say with a straight face that the Maus would be fine.

I literally said "i dont mind the violation"..... THe only part about ST and JT that bothered me was how much they dominated team meta at certain points. BP will bother me the same if it does, but the game isnt even out yet so i have no idea how common it will be......

I can say what i did about the maus because its a video game, not a fucking history class. LIke i already said i would prefer neither BP or Maus cuz i think it makes the gameplay boring

Besides that, we should probably want the internal design and look of each faction to be consistent with what they’re based on. Even in COH2, which might have some holistic immersion breaking moments, the individual factions don’t have units that are out of place on the level of the BP.

Pershing is definitely out of place for USF. They were supposed to be pre/during battle of the bulge, and relatively resource strapped (compared to USA military as a whole)

Its so out of place that Relic didnt even try to make it a tru heavy. THey just made it a super medium. Its mobility is off the charts compared to all the other heavy tanks

Yes, that's another reason why I'm against the Black Prince. For Relic to start keeping its damn words. First, stating that historicity and authenticity are important to us, and we listen to the community. And then they themselves broke their promises.

So im starting to think we agree on more than we disagree

I guess where u lose me is i dont understand the surprise (for lack of abetter word) Or why this is enough to make u not buy coh3

Is BP the straw that broke the camels back then? Cuz my opinion is that the back was broken a long time ago, but the core of the gameplay is still great imo so i still enjoy it

As for the "historical community" imo it should be more concern about debunking the myth that WWII was about democracy fighting totalitarian states (since the same myth is still being used today, see the Iraq invasion) than weather Sherman was a better tank than the Panther.

Where do u see this myth? I live in the US, very few ppl here are still under the impression that US is always the good guy

Iraq war is a hilarious example, it literally proves the opposite. It is constantly cited as an example of our government completely abusing its authority. Has a very similar view to that of vietnam, waste of lives to accomplish the goals of a few assholes

Everybody agrees with my bottomline which is: COH was always freehanded with its depiction of HISTORY, but the HISTORY BEING DEPICTED WAS ALWAYS ON POINT.

That sentence literally contradicts itself. Honestly amazing that u even wrote that and posted it

Don't bother to speak for others, there have already been polls and the poll showed that this is a 50/50 ratio. So it is unnecessary to state here that only a small number of people care that the Black Prince breaks the authenticity and opens the doors for the World of Tanks to the Company of Heroes.

I dont think ppls problems with the BP are just about history tho. I dont want it in the game either, but thats cuz I dont want heavy tanks in general

Much rather the game revolve around lights and mediums, which is both authentic to the part of the war coh3 focuses on, but more importantly, its more interesting from a gameplay perspective

Uber units make the gameplay dumber and more stale. Coh2 has proven that a ton