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Walking stuka isn't a counter to emplacements.

Ummmm... It is the single best counter to emplacements in the game bar zeroing artillery. Yes brace negates a portion of damage first time round but you should be either using the stuka to force a brace and then push for a kill with an incendiary nade or panzerschreks. Or attack it and force them to brace and then stuka them when they are on cooldown. Regardless, OKW have plenty of options. Any attack without follow up rightly is less rewarding, as is true throughout this game. Thus when using a stuka you should have some follow up. If it's really that much of an issue, just build a second stuka and the 17 pdr is dead every time.

1) PLS do not qoute if what you are going to post is completely irrelevant with my post.
17p being a stock unit and JT having 500 armor are two COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT issues.

2) Now pls at least try to check your stats before posting:
17p and JT have the exact same range of 80.


And NO 17p is hard counter to Tanks not to a expensive doctrinal heavy TD.

Actually JT is supposed to counter static targets and that is why it has a HE barrage.

I checked the stats, in my first post I stated that although they on paper have the same range, the Jagdtiger had the ability to outrange the 17 pdr due to the size of the base-plate.

The 17 pdr is a counter to Armour in general, including superheavies, if it weren't it wouldn't have been given 525 pen, the same as the Jagdtiger, which means it cannot bounce.

I have no complaints about the Jagdtigers HE barrage, that should be a valid counter in that at vet 1 you can use the HE barrage with its 125 range to force the 17 pdr to brace in order to attack it. Although it's intended use by the way is to attack infantry.

Also even if the Jagdtiger couldn't outrange the 17 pdr (or exploit so it could), the Jagdtiger would probably still counter the 17 pdr due to it being able to retreat out of firing range whilst the 17 pdr cannot. However allowing the 17 pdr to get some shots off whilst it did so would make the Jagdtiger slightly less of the enormous issue it is to deal with.

Whilst people are saying emplacement buffs are a bad thing (which it generally is) I would argue that an increase of the 17 pdrs range by 5 or 2 or whatever would be completely negligible in almost every other scenario. It would also actually not really as such be a buff, but due to the 17 pdrs gun currently firing from behind its base-plate rather than from it, it would actually be a "fix" not a "buff".

Hi,

I wanted to suggest a bit of a rebalance for these 2 units. Currently the 17 pdr has less range than the Jagdtiger which doesn't seem fair. I also do not think this range difference is intentional as on paper they both have the same range (80), thus allowing them to shoot at each other. However due to the 17 pdr's base-plate it can be targeted from further away by the Jagdtiger.

The 17 pdr is a very decent counter to the elefant so it definitely serves a roll as a counter to axis superheavies and a backstop to prevent TD creep, with the elefant's advantage being it can move. The Jagdtiger however due to it's slight range advantage makes the 17 pdr completely redundant as it can destroy it from a safe distance and move out of it's way. OKW are not short on counters to the 17 pdr, (stuka, smoke+flame nade, LeiG, zeroing artillery etc.) However UKF do struggle against the Jagdtiger only being able to flank it, which is not possible when fighting against decent players, or using Sextons.

It seems silly to me that a Static unit has less range than its mobile counterpart, especially as LefHs have more range than Priests for this reason.

Essentially I'm either suggesting that the 17 pdr's range is increased marginally to adjust for it's large base-plate thus allowing it to retaliate and the 2 can shoot at each other or that the Jagdtiger's range is reduced (as it already has damn plenty).

The name of the ability is :
CP 0 Achilles I tank destroyer.

Ah lol, that shows me for not looking at it since release XD

That's what A. Soldier was saying: the modders have tried exactly that and you have to turn the Sherman into an emplacement to make it work.

Ah my bad.

Which one? editing the weapons or changing the model?

The problem is that the mod tools limits us so a mobile flamethrower tank like the Sherman and T34 is impossible unless somebody either thinks up a work around or Relic do it on their side.

What about literally just a churchill croc with the skin of a sherman and adjusted hitpoints or something like that?

Also I don't know if this is relevant to other USF players but one of the reasons I suggest priests is cos whenever I play with mates my mate who plays USF is always doomed to play infantry company every game, same if I play them, so it would be nice to have an alternative. I've noticed if USF are involved, priests often are too, I think right now priests fit USF meta very well so I reckon USF having another Priest doctrine is a good shout.