Profile of HoverBacon

Absoulte RNG and not a basis for a balance change. Tommies already have an elite target size (as in the same rec acc as panzer grens have and a smaller target size than any other infantry in the game at the start including Sturms!) on top of being a long range fight behind green cover? Reducing incoming damage AND their target size further?

Hahaha. Yes I know. Obviously it was RNG, I was laughing as it happened cos I couldn't believe my eyes, like I said, RNGsus abandoned me.

The basis for change is how poorly they currently perform late game, or how poorly they trade out with volksgrenadiers especially in a spam scenario especially if you get your vet wiped. Late game my tommies are often sidelined as medics for my commmandos, they're too expensive for their current performance and with the prevalence of AoE weapons and artillery in team games can end up as a huge manpower drain.

The bolster mechanic is definitely an issue as when buffing them you have to take into account how they perform with and without it. It would probably be better to just make tommies a 5 man squad (which would really help against early game spammers which would be nice) and balance them from there. Whilst it exists, tommies will probably either be lacking or OP in some department as they have been since release.

One thing about the Bolster Infantry Sections upgrade is that Infantry Sections are always the price of a 5-man squad. The price should be 224 for a 4-man squad, and that's a pretty major difference. The upgrade is mandatory for using infantry, partly because of the manpower premium you're paying.
(This isn't true for Sappers and I have no idea why when looking at the code)
Maybe something could be done with that to improve the faction?

I'm just speculating here, but it seems like UKF's main problem is that its units are highly effective in certain situations, but they have very little field presence otherwise. The mortar pit, for instance- for a pretty basic unit, it has to do a lot of damage to pay for itself.

The thing with the mortar pit is that it's actually extremely good at doing that damage to pay for itself, it's issue lies in not only is it static so it lacks field presence but also that being static it can't run away, the brit player must not at any point have to full retreat or the pit is dead. Whereas axis mortars can be retreated.

Once dead as well, it can be very difficult to get another one up unless the axis player effectively lets you, essentially meaning you have no indirect fire for the rest of the match, unless of course you are playing mobile assault or royal artillery.

Also a price decrease for infantry sections when unbolstered seems very fair and would go a long way early game.

It seems like not a lot of top 10 players play brits very often. We don’t have anyone (to my knowledge) who is known for being great brits like DevM is with usf or whatever. My conclusion is that none of them want to waste their time being pulled down by the faction when better ones exist to be played currently, but that’s up to interpretation. We did see the GCS numbers on their pick rates and win rates though.

Yeah I know what you’re saying about the comet for sure. I always have a serious lack of faith in all my tanks when I play brits as well. I think the moving accuracy debuffs were a bit much (or maybe its base accuracy is too low) as it still is suppose to be a cruiser and the panther has more range, penetration, and armor and a pintle 42 that can kill infantry fairly well. I remember people used to say the exact same things about the ostheer panther’s accuracy and it eventually got changed, so maybe something will happen. The only reason I build comets is because they’re tougher and faster than fireflies and can shoot smoke and WP rounds.

So yeah I do think it’s penetration is fine but its accuracy could stand to go up. Doesn’t really make sense that it misses as many shots as it does. Its scatter could also use a buff too, it seems odd that the p4 basically outperforms it 1 for 1 in terms of anti infantry.

I've been trying to use the comet more recently if I'm given an easy game or whatever:

Yeah I think it's definitely the combination which breaks the unit, it seems to pen ok when it hits but the amount of times I have watched comets miss for seemingly no reason multiple times in a row reduces it's 'supposed' dps massively, especially when against panthers of which it has a fairly high chance to bounce as well results in comets firing over 3 or 4 times with almost nothing to show for it. For a tank that is supposed to move and flank, you seem to get penalised for doing so, it just makes the comet not enjoyable to use. So perhaps a penetration buff may not be the first point of call to fix it.

With the prevalence of axis super heavies right now however, even with snares, with how much the firefly is set to improve, I still however think it's unlikely I will rush to use the comet without a pen buff, whether in raw stats or in the form of a munitions based ability, mostly due to the current meta. Although it makes sense for the firefly to be the better choice for fighting super-heavies, fireflies can get overwhelmed by panther dives easily, although with snares it will make panther dives a little less inviting so we'll see.

I saw as well people were saying improving the scatter gives the unwanted bonus of making it godlike anti infantry too. What about if instead of improving scatter the comet was given an accuracy bonus against tanks, similar to what the 6 pdr previously had with light vehicles?

Not sure why Brit players think 0.8 RA isn't enough on their mainlines and want ANOTHER 0.9 RA just for being in cover. Name another mainline with 0.8. Yes they're not as good outside cover, but are they useless as ostruppen without cover. Not at all, they can match a gren squad in long range if both are without cover.

The AEC DEFINATELY doesn't need any buffs. In fact, I think it should be up for a nerf after giving snares and section mines. But knowing Relic and the balance team, the AEC shouldn't be touched. Comparing aec to the puma isn't a fair comparison. With the aec, u only give up bofors, with puma u give up free heals which is far more costlier than an entirely optional emplacement. And nobody rushes mech hq for a puma while aec comes out in 5 mins at the same time of first 222. And to Katitof (and the other trolls) who have said that 444 "hardcounters" aec, I've already explained that it's a softcounter as AEC can delete a 222 in 3 shots and 444 costs 400mp vs 240mp and 222s take longer to repair as they aren't bulletproof. By allied logic a cost disparity of a massive 140mp SHOULD be a hardcounter since riflemen have twice the dps of grens at point blank for a mere 40mp.

The only thing that needs to be changed about Brits is simply the mortar, I think should be allowed to pack up and move for a 100mp cost, it'll need an escort as during transit, it will be like the other mortar teams with 4 men 1.25 RA. As well Comet gets a bit more reliable splash damage against infantry.

As usual the original poster needs to (can everyone guess?) LLLLLLLL222222PPPPPPPP. Because clearly he doesn't understand why the mg on the aec was nerfed in the first place and like the typical Brit scrub he is, he calls a unit that is no longer batshit op (ie. comet) "completely useless" when it's just slightly underperforming. Just like everyone who complains the croc is useless because it's no longer batshit op. AND he wants comet to be reverted to the op state it used to be - 0.75 moving acc, better pen, etc, while he fails to realize the panther has less armor and was always worse at anti-inf. And he obviously doesn't know what he's talking about comet being more expensive than panther as comet and panther have identical costs (ok 10mp, so the trolls don't come screaming).

I think you've missed the point of my thread, the issue with a lot of the british faction, isn't that the units are underperforming massively, I'm not just being some salty tea-aboo. The issue is that they become irrelevant due to the strength of other units in the faction or their counters, like the AEC, the AEC is very effective right now, but by getting it you forgo other armour (e.g. a centaur or cromwell) for several extra minutes and whilst a puma is more than a match for most allied armour and scales into a light flanker and tank destroyer in the late game, the AEC can become redundant and often gets sidelined as a cheap command vehicle. That is why I suggested a role change into a puma-like vehicle, however yes, with snares the aec, like the firefly has the potential to become very potent. Like wise with the comet, I am not saying it should become OP again as it was strong vs all before, what I suggested again was a role change into something more similar to the jackson or alternatively to be similar the sherman 76. I know the comet actually performs ok. "BAD" and "USELESS" mean different things as it currently serves a role that is filled by it's peers better.

Also an issue with sections is that they do not really function as "main-line infantry" as you said particularly, they function as "psuedo-elite infantry" similar to grenadiers, except grenadiers brawl a lot more effectively than tommies in the late game due to being better out of cover and having awesome vet bonuses.

As for the attack on me:
Telling me I 'obviously' don't know what I'm talking about in regard to the entire British faction solely because I forgot whilst typing this that the panther fuel cost was adjusted a few patches ago seems like a shallow point. It kinda just makes it sound like you 'obviously' don't know what you're talking about friendo. (also it actually seems you forgot that the comet requires Hammer specialisation which costs 50 fuel making the comet more expensive, so I was correct.)

Unfortunately, telling me to "Learn to play" makes you sound like a child, especially with that obnoxious "(can everyone guess?)" in front of it big man. I like to think we're more mature than call of duty kids here.

And whilst over 1,000 hours of UKF alone obviously doesn't necessarily make me a good player by default, It does mean I have seen Brits at all points in their long balance process and have a large amount of experience in using the faction as a whole, which I would hope, makes at least some of my input valuable in hopefully improving a game I like and care about which was the point of this thread.

Furthermore, 1 of my main points with this thread was to increase the visibility of people suggestions which you really aren't helping with, especially by provoking me and others to make replies like this, please can we get back on topic.

^^^^ although a thing worth mentioning is that the jagtiger and elefant counter all armour not just the churchill. In fact I'd argue it counters churchills the least because of their giant health pool. Also you need at least 2 stugs, a churchill will beat the crap out of one stug.