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Thread: Volksgrenadiers22 Jun 2017, 00:02 AM Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 23:51 PMAlphrum lol nano you cant really have a discussion with a guy who says things like this. the only faction that unfairly struggle vs volks is soviets (if they dont go dushka doctrine). USF and brits can handle it EASILY, if your struggling im sorry to say its a l2p issue To be totally honest, I have issues with Volk vs Shock depending on map and such. If the Shock get close enough they will rape Volk. Even some times can have issues with blobs of Penals too. If I rush to set up a truck I can get overwhelmed by Penal blobs some times. But maybe they are l2p issues on my behalf too I dunno. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Is FRP beneficial to GAMEPLAY?21 Jun 2017, 23:18 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 21:30 PMelchino7 List of changes Some of these things are no brainers and most of us would be behind them I think, as you rightly point out the most talk is about FRP. Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 21:30 PMelchino7 Now, the only thing i see you mostly complaining is about FRP. I advocate a nerf rather a removal (same concept i apply to emplacements. Less non brainer and more proactive decisions). But it seems people are mixing 2 different concepts about FRP. The power of soft retreat and having healing and reinforcement on the front is not touched. It's been showed that on 1v1 is barely used if at all. On 2v2 is situational* mostly depending on the map and for 3v3+ onwards is a no brainer because you cut down so much downtime going from the base up to the engagement which let's you take too many stupid decisions unpunished. So instead of removing a mechanic that arguably makes the game more fun not waiting ages for retreating units on larger game modes, why don't we give doctrinal FRP for the two factions that don't have? Since you say changing maps is impossible, which I doubt. The Sov FHQ could be balanced and have a FRP purchasable upgrade added. and Ost could have a command bunker purchasable FRP upgrade on a doctrine too. That way if the EF armies want the same benefits they don't normally get they have to make strategic risk reward decisions around the doctrine they pick as all games should be. Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 21:30 PMelchino7 Again, why you need a hard RETREAT POINT instead of MANUALLY soft retreating. Because it isn't always possible? Haven't you ever had a squad smacked by a mortar lose like 70% of its HP before? you can't risk a casual walk away when that happens. Walking into Vikars/Maxims/MG34 is a guarantee with OKW/USF especially on larger game modes, try just walking away from that. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Volksgrenadiers21 Jun 2017, 23:02 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 22:40 PMRocket with good micro on sturms eq, going to side with no windows or very few they can easily do it themselves especially if they open with double sturms. or just having the kubel there should be able to beat the IS inside easily. House meta is dumb but I also dont understand why volks or soo much more unkillable in houses then grens rifles cons etc This is not always possible, some buildings don't have this weakness. Inf section with clear view and four windows will easily murder a Sturm squad before they even get close. I agree things are dumb, but out right removing things or changing things with out adequate thought about the consequences is what got us to this retarded place to begin with. The flame grenades are required until there is some other viable way of dealing with garrisons. Things got a bit better with the Flak half track now being an option to some degree with garrisons but it isn't really viable to buy it just for that since it's a bit slow to deal with bigger buildings and comes a tad to late depending on map and game mode. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Volksgrenadiers21 Jun 2017, 22:37 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 22:31 PMRocket Volks should never of gotten incnediary nades that was relics bullshit thinking when at the time they were asking for better ways to clear garrisons with the idea of working a flame thrower doct (like brits and USF) instead they get that and incendiary nades that way they can stop the other team from using houses why they exploit the dumbass house meta since for some reason volks take no dmg in houses. If anything take away incendiary nade spam dumb to begin with and not needed when you have sturms and kubels to clear houses. Sturms easily do it themselves if you know how to micro. No one should have to pick a doctrine to clear garrisons. Yes flame grenades can be annoying but if they weren't on Volk in the current line up there would be certain scenarios where it is just game over as soon as a Vikars of Inf section get into the buildings. It's already bad enough having to veto certain maps just get around this. Ideally Sturm Pio should have flammer as non-doctrinal and Volk should have their faust/regular nade all locked behind either first truck deploy or some t0 unlock (or not flammer but smoke on ISG). But we don't do simple things that make sense, instead we remove features and rework entire teams. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Volksgrenadiers21 Jun 2017, 13:55 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 13:19 PMEsxile @Nano. I don't really know what you have to invest into your volks, everything is unlocked with your tiers. The only investment is the 60mu STG upgrade. Losing a vet5 volks or anything vet3 is about the same problem. Yeah I am not entirely sure what I meant either now that I think about it. I think I was getting at Volk feel like they take forever to get to vet 5, riffle and penal seem to vet to 3 faster. I guess I mean you need to invest effort into vetting them, taking risks when you normally wouldn't I guess? It's true that losing any max vet unit is bad, but Volk are so poor with out vet that it's super hard to get any back up to that level from mid game and up. Usually better to just go right for Obers if you lose the important Volk. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Eastern Front Armies Revamp 21 Jun 2017, 13:01 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 12:53 PMJB. Here's an idea. You could swap the positions and Hotkeys for the Brumbar, Werfer and Panther so the line up from left to right would be this: Werfer (Q) --- Brumbar (W) --- Panther (E) This way it would be consistent across factions. Also on this topic, for the love of god make the Faust on Volk the same hot key as the snare on PanzFus. That tricks me every time! In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Volksgrenadiers21 Jun 2017, 12:44 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 06:44 AMEuan First off, this is not a rant thread, I would really like to hear a discussion on this unit from high level players (my OKW rank is fairly low, so feel free to take that into consideration when telling me why I'm wrong!). At the moment, it seems Volks are just in control of this game, either when I use them or when they are against me. They are cheap and spammable, as is their flame nade, which can shift pretty much any engagement in their favour - it basically denies cover and garrison use to the other team. Their StG upgrade is cheap and effective, and the on-the-field timing means that upgraded Volks often face unupgraded enemies, and can easily push more expensive units off the field in many situations (Rifles, Tommies, and sometimes even Penals, depending on the map). Their faust does not require either vet or side-teching, and so once a few Volks are on the field, OKW has fausts everywhere. This isn't exactly correct. I play lots of OKW and have ever since release. It is true that their current stupid position sees them make Panzer Fuz and Obers almost entirely fun rather than required. First; vet 0 non STG Volk are awful and need to fight at long range and in cover to even remotely do anything. They get owned by Tommy in cover, Riffle at med range and Penal. For Volk to be of any use they have to be heavily invested in with both their upgrades and vet. If you lose your highly vetted Volk mid or late game you will never really recover from it. Second; Faust is NOT available with out tech, you need to deploy a truck. In fact I would argue that I am nearly forced to get a Med HQ/Mech HQ ASAP because of the prevalence of Clown cars and other stupid early light vehicles. Raketon is an option but their horrible accuracy and poor mobility early makes them a second choice. Third; whom ever is complains about flame grenades can go jump off a cliff, because at this stage of the balance cycle it is literally the only viable weapon against garrisons for OKW early to mid game. Field guns are still bugged and some times can't shoot buildings and other flame weapons are locked behind a subjectively sub-par doctrine. Fighting against Volk is just a case of supporting your units correctly, and not sending good after bad. If you see the STG upgrades and you do not have any Bren/BAR, do not fight head on if you can. You should never fight battles you clearly wont win (unless you can get cover advantage or what ever). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Is FRP beneficial to GAMEPLAY?21 Jun 2017, 00:07 AM Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2017, 18:36 PMelchino7 A thing i realised after reading this thread: SOFT RETREAT seems to be out of the question. The only need for FRP is for factions which had difficulty or doesn't have the tools to recover territory once they lose map presence. That is no longer the case for OKW (more so after mod) and probably USF/OKW with some updates. For 3v3+, *human wave tactics works better and small/individual/flank combat are less favoured.* Add to that big long maps and you have the ideal scenario for them. Which makes the whole point of why 3v3+ is even more of a blobfest after WFA + UKF were introduced. To reinfoce my point that they are no longer need, at least the current version of FRP: (you can skip) I agree completely, but surely you can agree that this is down to dumb map designs more than anything? Of course on idiot maps like "The Port" with eight players and only 3-4 ways across parts of the map choke points are inevitable meaning flanks simply can't happen. Skilled players are rewarded by flanking as per the games very design, but then the stupid map comes along and screws with all that. So why continuously go about changing the game when the maps should be clearly at fault is what I think. If the map rotation moves more than once every two years, you get better balance, more life breathed into the game and obviously more variety in meta. Which seems like win-win for everyone. Also you flout the OKW flame doctrine as being a solve to the issues like garrisons but it really isn't that simple. If as OKW you are picking that doctrine it is out of sheer desperation and the need to desperately clear some garrisons or something. You are essentially trading late game superiority like Command Panther/JT/Sturm Tiger for immediate gains. It is big risk reward, where as every other team can just drop smoke of some kind and bamb. It's very effective against people who don't realise what is happening and keep trying to fight with garrisons but any skilled opponent just adapts and you lose out big. (Which I am not complaining about, but it is far from a good doctrine that really solves issues). In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Mortar Pits Hiding behind buildings20 Jun 2017, 07:44 AM It is pretty frustrating I will admit. Maybe it can be refined out of the game by shrinking the size of buildings in maps with known abusive spots. Half the reason it's so hard to shoot them back is because they get protected by some monster building. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: When will the beloved Brits enter the balance scope?20 Jun 2017, 07:27 AM Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2017, 07:25 AMJaminROCK What other unit do you think should get shreks? Remember when volks could get shreks? Idk if I'd want taht shit back in this game. Just improve the acc of Sturm Pio a bit, or maybe make vet not so hard to get. I dunno, depends on what knock on effects that would have. Raketon also seems to have bad initial accuracy, but I don't know the actual numbers. In: COH2 Balance