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Thread: Sovs vs leigs.23 Feb 2017, 04:54 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Feb 2017, 03:45 AMVaz So Tanks don't work against bofors/mortar pit? Walking stuka doesn't work? shreks and raketen against the mortar pit don't work? Light artillery piece doesn't work? Sturmtiger? Obviously all those things will work, but not until later in the game meaning you might be at an unrecoverable disadvantage with the raketen being the only exception, but they are very unreliable against it. Going mech HQ and investing in stukas is risky since (at least until winter patch) you can't heal wounded squads and you have to invest all the fuel that you have because the bofors/mortar pit would be defending it. It's very map and game mode dependant. Jump back to quoted post23 Feb 2017, 03:45 AMVaz One of the best things I was told long ago in a balance argument is to use what you call OP. Play British and see if anyone breaks your bofors/mortar combo without an isg. I bet it will happen. At no point did I say it was O.P. But if you want to fight it early enough to make a real difference, you need the ISG. It would be a case of nerfing the ISG to help one scenario would have unintentional consequences for other scenarios. Jump back to quoted post23 Feb 2017, 03:45 AMVaz One of these threads or both of them are just baseless complaints. There is a thread that OKW can't beat soviet because maxim spam. Now there is a thread that 2x leig beats maxim spam. Where are we going with this? You are over simplifying. The problem is not that you can't beat maxim spam. It's that on particular maps the tactic can be abused, meaning with the right conditions maxim spam can be devastating to OKW due to their lack of options to fight it early enough to make a difference. But the winter balance patch should change that by making the flak half track more viable against garrisoned buildings. My point is; if this is a real issue (the double ISG against Soviets) then the fix for it can't be as simple as nerfing the ISG, it would have to take into account that there isn't really any other good option for OKW early game when facing MGs or emplacements. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Sovs vs leigs.22 Feb 2017, 04:11 AM The ISG was hit pretty hard by the nerf stick in the past and nerfing it any further would take away the only thing OKW has to fight Bofors/mortar pits especially with the cancer commander around. Not to mention the ISG still suffers the shooting at buildings bug. I haven't been on the receiving end of this but I would say that 660+ man power is a huge investment and if they are wasting time shooting your base they aren't shooting back at your 120mm mortars or what ever it is that you have. I know it's no satisfying answer but I would suggest playing OKW against a competent Soviet and trying it out for yourself to see what happens. I know that if I play OKW and try to invest heavily in field guns I get wrecked by light tanks and can't maintain a field presence. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW need a early anti MG-Spam unit.21 Feb 2017, 23:47 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Feb 2017, 12:09 PMullumulu u can look my replays and tell me what did i wrong. there are many maps which allows faction with mgs to dominate early wide areas (many houses, hose-maps, no many flankable ways) Yes you are right. I feel the people who say that it is survivable just haven't had the situation presented to them. It's not that MG spam (either maxim or vikars) is unbeatable with OKW it's just that on certain maps the potential to abuse is huge. All they have to do is get in key buildings before you and then you have no choice but to forfeit the area since there is no viable way to clear them out, especially if it's the British. As I suggested earlier the only real way to deal with it at this time is to veto the maps that this can occur on. Also, this is is compounded on higher game modes like 3v3 or 4v4 (greatly). At this time it is really just down to the map. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Volksgrenadier's Panzerfaust range20 Feb 2017, 02:53 AM If you are charging your Volks at a medium tank you are throwing lots of man power away; unless you can guarantee a cripple then a kill it's a big gamble. That is how it should be, a risky move since they aren't AT units. If you aim to cripple tanks it's better to use mines for OKW. Probably the issue is that it isn't the same for the other factions since the P4 has terrible acc and the Panther can't really shoot inf very well. So they can more or less charge at you and cripple your medium tank with little punishment. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: not released commanders20 Feb 2017, 01:23 AM Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2017, 19:33 PMCrecer13 I think the Soviet tank commander is ready, but Relic has not released it and I don't understand the reasons. It will all be part of the products life time strategy that they have in place. I don't know what that strategy is but I am assuming it's about dragging out the profitability of the game by slowly releasing paid content even though it's all developed already. If they just dumped it all at once it wouldn't work for them. If any one remembers a game called Phantasy Star Online, you will remember they actually made all the content and it was all on the disk the entire time, they just slowly "released it" over the span of a few years. In: Lobby
Thread: OKW vs USF 1on1 balance20 Feb 2017, 01:14 AM Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2017, 01:04 AMVaz Nano, it sounds like you are suggesting a panzer 2 should be effective against a stuart, is that right? I don't feel it has to be effective but it has to be a viable choice. It has to be at least comparable which at this time it isn't. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Debuff for blobs20 Feb 2017, 01:07 AM Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2017, 10:54 AMV-T There are some saying blobs are easy to handle. Some say, blobs are OP. Truth lies in between? This. If you know there is a blob on the move you can prepare, but if you miss with what ever your plan is (like rockets, sturmtiger or call in stuff) then you are really boned, but if you hit you bone them good. I just don't like this, it comes down to one solid mistake on either side costing an entire game. It encourages people to quit at that point because you won't be able to claw back from losing your blob or losing everything to a blob. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW vs USF 1on1 balance20 Feb 2017, 00:53 AM I feel largely (when I do OKW-USF from both teams) is that the inf fight can go either way depending on cover and range. So the map is a big deal. The t0 mortar can be a big game changer though, if you see them make one and you can't ambush it or capitalise on it's investment early it can be an issue. Yes the Stuart vs Panzer 2 is a stupidly unfair match up. The Panzer 2 needs to be fixed or the other light vehicles need to be aligned in a similar way The OKW t0 MGs have no business existing, they are bad at everything. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Your wishes for the Panther20 Feb 2017, 00:48 AM Probably the Panther is ok if for it's very minor need for a fire speed increase. I feel that if the over performance of the Comet and the broken call in spam of the Soviets is fixed the Panther will be good. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW need a early anti MG-Spam unit.20 Feb 2017, 00:43 AM Hi, I have been reading these forums for a long time but decided to register just so I could address this topic. OKW currently suffer horribly early from Maxim spam or even from Vikars spam in certain key maps with certain key cut-offs and there is very little to nothing you can do about it. Clearly the USF suffered from early MG aggregation as well so Relic decided to give them a t0 mortar but for some reason didn't use their brain power to see that two factions that have a similar early game wouldn't both suffer the same issue. The best solution: Know the maps and veto the urban maps with critical cut-off points that can easily be abused. Sadly this is the only reliable solution. The other choice: Field guns can help, but you need to invest 660+ man power and lots of time to dislodge a couple of MGs which is just not viable. The biggest issue is the time, while they sit on the fuel and send AA halftracks or light tanks at you. Lastly and very relevant to this is that field guns are still bugged and still some times will not shoot buildings... This bug will probably never be fixed... At this time the Panzer 2 is not an answer, it is a heavy fuel investment (which you likely wont have) and it does next to nothing to units in buildings. Then it is easily whooped by any other light tank. Ideally the winter patch will make the flak halftrack a viable choice here. Or the field gun gets moved to t0 perhaps? Or give the field gun smoke shells would be a viable choice I feel too. In: COH2 Balance