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Thread: M20 armored skirts28 Sep 2019, 15:52 PM It's a good brake on M20 spam. It lets you keep the vehicle cheap, and gives it an opportunity cost without hitting your teching too hard. And, if you get an M20 later on to lay mines, you can skip the skirts as they're not going to do much against late game vehicles. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: So where are we on Balance?28 Sep 2019, 15:49 PM It takes a while for the metagame to settle down after a balance patch. Tactics and strategies adapt, new dominant strategies emerge. Y'all need to give it time. You can't judge a new patch on the old patch's strats. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Poll: How are grens after the rifle buff?28 Sep 2019, 15:43 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2019, 00:35 AMIncendiaryRounds Because rifles were buffed and grens and rifles were fine, volks were the offending unit yet they barely got changed. So it may be likely that rifles are too good vs grens. The Riflemen buff only affects close range. Grenadiers want to be fighting at long range, so if they take good engagements the buff doesn't affect them much. If your Grenadiers are taking bad engagements, they're probably going to lose regardless. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: allow 7 man Conscripts PPSH41 or PTRS25 Sep 2019, 18:17 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2019, 09:18 AMVipper And that is the whole point. Either you spam conscripts and you have to invest in their upgrades or you use a couple of them in a mixed force and you only by the bare essential like AT grenades. Yes, and it's utterly moronic. Why would you punish mixed compositions and reward spam in what's supposed to be a combined arms game? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: allow 7 man Conscripts PPSH41 or PTRS24 Sep 2019, 02:02 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Sep 2019, 23:01 PMStug life why not make the cost of molotov in tier 3 and make them unlock after 1 tier and then u keep at nade upgrade but penals needs the upgrade for at package ? That'd work. The current system has two problems: global upgrades penalise building small numbers of Conscripts, and Penal Builds being both stronger and cheaper. Locking Penal Troops' upgrades behind the sidetech achieves a similar result to removing the sidetech. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: allow 7 man Conscripts PPSH41 or PTRS23 Sep 2019, 22:12 PM You could try Molotovs on one tech structure, AT grenades on two. Or take a leaf out of USF's book and put the AT grenades behind Vet 1. That works surprisingly well. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: allow 7 man Conscripts PPSH41 or PTRS23 Sep 2019, 21:56 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Sep 2019, 14:30 PMthedarkarmadillo I know it's been said but I'd rather just make cons cheaper. Then they are cheap and ripe for merging if that's what you want or you can invest in them to be a mainline. But all globals not squad by squad. Imo. Then they are expendable as intended. Global upgrades are anathema to mixed compositions. Making Conscripts cheaper won't fix the fundamental design problem with global upgrades. Conscript upgrades are only cost effective if you build several squads, so there's little point mixing them into other builds. Why would people build Conscripts when they're rewarded so heavily for not doing so? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: allow 7 man Conscripts PPSH41 or PTRS23 Sep 2019, 12:22 PM I'd be hesitant to adjust the raw performance of Shocks: they're finally a state where they're usable but counterable. They could maybe stand to have a later timing though. CP2 is very early for that sort of unit. I'm unconvinced that Guards are still a problem. I can see why people would have philosophical problems with a combination AI-AT squad, but I don't think their present power level is anything to write home about. As for Conscripts? Ditch the sidetech. Conscripts are always going to be an inferior option when you have to pay an extra 230 MP 20 FU just to unlock their utility abilities. A smaller sideteching barrier was enough to all but exterminate Ostheer T2. Throw out Conscript sidetech entirely. It doesn't achieve its design goals. If that cost has to be in the tech tree, put it on T3 so Penal builds can't skip it. So long as the Penal teching path is stronger and cheaper, Conscripts are always going to be off-meta. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: allow 7 man Conscripts PPSH41 or PTRS20 Sep 2019, 19:02 PM Jump back to quoted post20 Sep 2019, 15:31 PMVipper Like? CP0 or CP1. MP40 Volks, Assault Grenadiers and Assault Engineers are CP0. Assault Sections and Cavalry Riflemen are CP1. I'd personally go for CP1. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: allow 7 man Conscripts PPSH41 or PTRS20 Sep 2019, 15:14 PM Jump back to quoted post19 Sep 2019, 23:42 PMflyingpancake Alright then how would you propose to make PPSH41 more viable, not a semi waste of a commander slot and fix the soviet infantry lategame without elites? You move it to the timing of other SMG upgrades. In: COH2 Balance