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Thread: KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage4 Jun 2019, 14:48 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2019, 14:30 PMVipper I am not sure why you want to start on semantics. I can say a person is too tall if he is 40 cm taller than the average without knowing what the high of the tallest person that existed. Again try to keep it on subject and simply compare the acceleration and rotation of other vehicles with that of the Churchill. I'm not sure you understand what 'too' means in this context. It's comparative. It can't exist in isolation. You have to be too something to something. If a theme park ride only allows people under 180 cm tall to ride it, and a man is 185 cm, then he is too tall to ride it. You're saying the rear armour (or rotation speed or acceleration) is too high to be balanced, yes? If that is true, then there is a maximum rear armour value for the Churchill that is not too high to be balanced. For that to be objectively true, that value has to be defined objectively. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage4 Jun 2019, 14:27 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2019, 14:24 PMVipper No you do not. You simply need the value of the unit with similar role that you use as benchmark. Tell what, find what unit have more acceleration and rotation than Churchill and we can continue this. Yes, you do. It's in the very definition of the word. If something is too high, that means it's higher than is deemed acceptable. If you want to define something as objectively too high, then you need an objective maximum acceptable height. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage4 Jun 2019, 14:22 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2019, 14:15 PMVipper Let put aside the rear armor for sec. Do you agree that acceleration, rotation, HP are objectively too high? No. In order to define something as objectively too high, you need an objective maximum height. We don't have one. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage4 Jun 2019, 13:59 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2019, 13:42 PMStug life it's not the ratio, it was an example explaing that they have too much rear armor, by logic u can do it with every tank would like to add 60 armor from rear to front for x tank ? we are talking about unit overperforming, no a change in role, for the price kv1 and churchil have too much rear armor, there was a reason that they nerfed the armor of all heavy tank without buffing them back btw would u like to remove 100 armor form the JT frontal armor to add it to the rear ? You were the one saying it was the ratio: that getting behind the tank isn't rewarding enough. If your problem is the rear armour is too high in isolation, don't compare it to the front armour. You'll confuse people. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage4 Jun 2019, 13:39 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2019, 13:38 PMStug life yes but compare it to other tanks, the reaer is around half the front armor, giving u a much better odds of penetrating, for the churchil and kv1 they have too much rear armour reducing this advantage by a lot while still having having good frontal armor all for a good price, remember that when u try to flank something u have to expose ur rear too most of the times If the ratio is what matters, would you support taking that 40 armour from the back and putting it on the front? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Fix OKW Sturm Offizier 4 Jun 2019, 13:38 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2019, 12:40 PMSander93 True, but the Sturm Offizier is in Breakthrough so with the upcoming Panzerfussiliers change you'd be likely to have a lot of Pfussies who do not get passive healing with vet. Therefor it could be interesting to let the Offizier heal other squads. The unit could have an additional role - besides combat - by serving as a more cost effective alternative to medics or med crates. Although that might be a bit too much. Not if you need a Vet 5 Officer to do it. You can't rely on vet-locked abilities as part of a strategy, especially high vet ones. Nobody gets a 223 to lay Riegels. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage4 Jun 2019, 13:34 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2019, 13:26 PMDangerous-Cloth 2 panthers as ostheer? Lol A Croc/Firefly combo costs about 1080 MP 385 FU. Two Panthers costs 980 MP 370 FU. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage4 Jun 2019, 13:18 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2019, 12:36 PMVipper That is your opinion and based on your approach that there are non "objective criteria". Actually Relic set up a benchmark exactly to be able to compare unit with base line and decided what is UP or OP. In the case of Churchill the characteristic I have already mentioned does not mean much one their own but once one starts comparing them with the values of other vehicles one will see that these value are not normal and their combination make the unit over perform for cost. As you can see there are thing that can be used as "objective criteria". In order to prove the Churchill's rear armour is too high, you need to define the maximum acceptable rear armour value. If you can do that without using a single opinion, then I will accept your conclusion as objective. Until then, it is subjective. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Veteran Squad leader upgrade weapon poll4 Jun 2019, 13:10 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2019, 01:00 AMGI John 412 Currently the VSL overlaps a lot with the G43s and the only reason to pick one over the other is because they exist in different doctrines. And that's not even including the cooldown bonuses VSL gets. Then consider the RA boost and the extra man's survivability and you've got ittle reason to pick anything else if you have VSL available. VSL is pretty much just a flat out better G43 upgrade. But it's also 60 munitions versus the G43 upgrade's 45, suffers more manpower bleed than the other two options and going German Infantry means giving up the toys the G43 doctrines have. It's the best Grenadier upgrade, but it comes at a cost. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Fix OKW Sturm Offizier 4 Jun 2019, 12:33 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2019, 12:28 PMSander93 That would just make the good commanders less good and the bad commanders still bad. How exactly is that more effective? I suppose the thinking is that in terms of overall power level, they'd be more even. That does make the assumption that the bad commanders are all roughly equally bad though. It also doesn't account for commanders that are conceptually bad. Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2019, 09:46 AMStark As vet5 is quite hard to get and officer should be focus on supporting nearbly troops i would like to suggest a group healing like Commissar or UKF Tommies have rather than self-healing. It would make more sense imo. That'd be very useful at Vet 0 like the Commissar, but the utility drops off as you go up veterancy levels. By Vet 5 most OKW infantry will be passively healing themselves. In: COH2 Gameplay