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Thread: September Balance Patch preview [SPBP] - general discussion15 Aug 2019, 13:01 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 12:34 PMSander93 No one is forcing players to build their SPHQ on the front line though. If you like producing tanks, then put it somewhere safe or somewhere you're certain you can defend it. There's no need to continue to give OKW a free map denial tool without a big risk attached to it. And OKW still has the now improved King Tiger if they lose the SPHQ, anyway. It does seem like something a trap unit now. It screams 'put me on your fuel or cutoff' at you despite that being a stupidly risky thing to do. Game: "hey, this HQ has a huge fuck off gun on it, isn't that great?" Player 1: "cool i'll put it somewhere it does something" Player 2: blows it up Game: "aha, FOOL! you fell for my cunning ploy! i hope you like stalling for a KING TIGER! ahahahahaha" Player 1: " :'( " This might be a bit radical for a balance patch, but have you considered this? Swap models of Schwerer Panzer Headquarters and Mechanized Regiment Headquarters. Gun stats on Mechanized Regiment Headquarters changed to match buildable OKW Flak Emplacement. Gun must be upgraded to enable it. That way, the two trucks you'd actually want to put on the field are the ones you can afford to lose. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: September Balance Patch preview [SPBP] - general discussion15 Aug 2019, 12:21 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 12:14 PMDangerous-Cloth That is the point, it does cost the same as before. However, you now have NO choice when it comes to rebuiding it at full price, as the command p5 is gone (good nonetheless). This means the symptom, command p5 crutching and preference is gone and dealt with, but the real main cause of this, is still here: full on price to rebuild schwere and then having to build a tank again. That is way too expensive. This means no aggressive schwere placement ever again and it just sitting in base. I think you're oversimplifying the Command Panther problem a bit, but I get the sentiment. I personally think it should be a 60/60 fuel split, and the JPIV should be in the first half. That gives Battlegroup builds decently fast access to a solid anti-tank vehicle, solves the long standing JPIV/Panther redundancy problem, and gives OKW players who lose their SPHQ a second comeback option instead of just the King Tiger. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: September Balance Patch preview [SPBP] - general discussion15 Aug 2019, 12:08 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 12:03 PMDangerous-Cloth Hm I don't know about the split Schwere tech for OKW, especially having to rebuy the Panzer Authorization after you lose the schwere. As someone already pointed out, one of the main reasons people went with the Command p5 call in was because losing your schwere and rebuying it is way too big of an investment when having to buy a tank afterwards. You guys basically take away the symptom whilst adding to the problem. That is literally allopathic medical world logic right there. The net cost of the split SPHQ is the same. Without the Jagdpanzer IV in the first half I think it's a little pointless, but it doesn't hurt in any way. You get LMG-less Obers a hair faster. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW September patch discussion15 Aug 2019, 12:04 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 11:59 AMStug life or give it a 90% move speed debuff That'd wouldn't solve the problem. The Raketenwerfer's current design intent is you move it to an ambush location, cloak it, and wait for a vehicle to drive into its arc. However, you can't shift queue that order. If you issue a move order and a cloak order, it'll cloak at the start. The only way to make it serve its intended function is to move it decloaked, wait for it to get there, and cloak it. It works, but it's fiddly and irritating. There's a reason nobody ever uses it this way in live. If you have it automatically cloak when stationary and out of combat (like Ambush Camouflage) then you can issue the order and it'll roll over and cloak itself. There's a slight issue where a friendly tank running over your Rak crew will reveal it for a moment, but I think that's a small price to pay for the vast QoL improvement of automatic cloakinbg. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW September patch discussion15 Aug 2019, 11:53 AM Jump back to quoted post14 Aug 2019, 21:39 PMSander93 Not sure, as the build animation ends with the models crewing the gun. But we will look into ways of making it obvious that the Panzer Authorization (and the flak gun activation) hasn't been upgraded yet. I have a question about the new Panzer Authorization upgrade. In the original plan, it was a 60/60 split and the first half contained Obersoldaten and the Jagdpanzer IV. What changed the team's mind? I thought having the Jagdpanzer IV in the first half was the goal of the split. Secondly, did you consider making the Raketenwerfer auto-cloak when stationary? The toggle implementation works, but it's a QoL nightmare as the cloak command can't be shift-queued. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Riflemen need a buff or Volks need a nerf?11 Aug 2019, 21:45 PM Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2019, 13:54 PMAlphrum If what you say is true with okw early game nerfs, then once the offcier comes out USF will stomp OKW on all ends as they will outnumber OKW. The only advantage OKW has over USF is to outnumber them with volks, without that riflemen will steamroll volks I doubt it'll come without midgame buffs. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Riflemen need a buff or Volks need a nerf?11 Aug 2019, 12:01 PM Everyone's jumping to overly simplistic conclusions here. This matchup is much more complex than 30 MP of price difference. We've seen from the stat comparisons that Rifleman squads outgun Volksgrenadier squads. One on one, Rifles have a clear edge. However, this matchup isn't one on one: there's a starting unit to consider. You're not comparing 250 MP vs 280 MP, you're comparing 550 MP vs 480 MP. OKW can belch out Volks fast, so this manpower gap only gets bigger during the early game. They can belch out four Volks in the time it takes USF to get three Riflemen out. 1300 MP (4x Volks 1x Sturmpio) vs 1040 MP (3x Rifle 1x RE)? It's clear why USF loses that early engagement if they don't have a superior position. The score's evened by the second engagement when USF has their officer, but by then OKW's turfed you off your cutoff and built sandbags all over it. Sander said the Balance Team is looking into ways to weaken this early OKW bull rush. If they come up with something clever (and they usually do) this matchup could well become more even. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why USF so bad in tournaments?8 Aug 2019, 12:06 PM USF thrives on mobility and maneuver and the tournament was played mostly on tight, laney grindfest maps. Therefore, the factions better suited to slow attrition were chosen. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Possible commander revamp candidates7 Aug 2019, 10:48 AM Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 15:02 PMVipper Let me explain this with an hypothetical example example: Lets say special op is 120% OP commander. The commander will dominate the meta unless another commander is revamped to be +120% op. If the commander is nerfed to be the 100% power level any an all commander close 100% power level will start being used. Even if you did somehow perfectly balance every commander against each other, you'd still have everyone copying the commanders the streamers like. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Jackson - jast light version of the Panther :)7 Aug 2019, 10:44 AM This is an inevitable consequence of the armour system. So long as medium armor is hard countered by heavy armour (including the Panther here), players are going to build heavy tanks and tank destroyers instead. Even if you do nerf the Jackson, USF is still going to build them because what other options are there? AT guns and handheld are balanced against mediums, not heavies. If you want medium tanks in team game modes, you need to make medium tanks viable in those modes. This is one way to do it: https://www.coh2.org/topic/93799/tank-point-blank There are many others. In: COH2 Balance