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Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback3 Jan 2021, 09:14 AM Jump back to quoted post2 Jan 2021, 21:44 PMthedarkarmadillo All decrewed weapons should be equally easily destroyed no matter how it scales. Agreed In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?3 Jan 2021, 09:09 AM Jump back to quoted post2 Jan 2021, 23:26 PMSerrith How? You end up with the same timing issue. Excuse me? Do you have T2 building up the moment you get BP2 all the time? This idea makes it so you have to pull back your pios if you want to have fast PGs. You still might get them out almost at the same timing but you actually need to plan it now. It's the T1 change that doesn't really do much since in 80% (pulled it out of my ass but I highly doubt it's lower than that) of the games OST has T1 anyway for grens and stuff. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback2 Jan 2021, 12:39 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Jan 2021, 12:25 PMHannibal How are Riflemen the only unit directly comparable to Penals? Because they are another main line (let's consider Penals as main line for the sake of the argument) with semi-auto rifles I guess. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?31 Dec 2020, 20:32 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Dec 2020, 19:21 PMFunPolice That is true and I should've explained this would be only a very minor change meant to make T1 skips less appealing in general. I guess it's less of a change with Ostruppen being put in T1 but as already discussed it makes it a none issue with AssGrens and Pio/MG builds. Hell maybe if you do that you do something else to ostruppen? Put them in the HQ or something? They hopefully wouldn't be an issue since you can't get a super early PzGren and there is that bigger gap when you skip T1 and getting a LV. Something along these lines would be a slight but a nice change. Your idea moving PGs to T1 is also good imo. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?31 Dec 2020, 18:51 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Dec 2020, 18:43 PMKieselberg These strategies get hart countered by allied lV play Yes, and? We aren't discussing counters to off meta strategies. We are discussing a way to tweak PGs. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?31 Dec 2020, 18:28 PM Yeah I guess it makes sense. Considering that both assgrens and pio\mg builds work best against soviets. So it will actually affect only soviet match up without considerably touching match ups with other allied factions. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?31 Dec 2020, 18:16 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Dec 2020, 17:48 PMFunPolice Why not just move PzGrens to T1 (and still require BP1 ofc)? That deals with problems they cause in T1 skips and otherwise doesn't really effect them. They would still be quite strong but you at the very least make their fastest timing a bit slower. How is that different from building from HQ? Since both of these buildings are up by BP1 and T1 building is free to build anything by that time? Am I missing something? T1 skips with dead osttruppen will be almost non existant now. Requiring T2 building to be up actually delays a little (they can be left in HQ) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?31 Dec 2020, 14:07 PM Actually thinking about it, I think even requiring T2 building might be enough so that PGs don't compete with 222 for a build spot and yet get a bit delayed. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?31 Dec 2020, 14:04 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Dec 2020, 10:43 AMporkloin Could someone please link a replay demonstrating that Pgrens are OP? Can you point out where anyone called PGrens OP? It's their timing that's seems OP not the unit itself if you actually read the topic. Most people here that are saying that their timing is OP are fine with just moving them to T2 without any changes to the unit itself. (me included) And all of this is because soviets struggle very hard against PGs since they have nothing to rival them when they come so early. Other allied factions don't have nearly as much trouble dealing with PGs. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?30 Dec 2020, 20:13 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 20:03 PMVipper You can simply blame the bad design of T1 instead trying to sift the blame to the units it provides. I will rephrase since it seems I might have expressed myself not clear. - no access to MG - no access to AT-gun - no access to indirect fire - no access to effective AT Do you think all of these drawbacks don't go hand in hand with the units produced in this building? Would you agree or disagree with a following statement (just yes or no, please): Penals inherantly have all the drawbacks such as: - no access to MG - no access to AT-gun - no access to indirect fire - no access to effective AT In: COH2 Balance

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