Profile of Mirdarion

Before you start giving examples and information, you should check if your facts are right or wrong before.
All units suffer penalties when firing into Fog of war (FOW). Rule of thumb is that it's a 25% debuff on scatter while i think there might be exceptions (IIRC and i'm not sure if it was fixed but Stuart had something like 300% penalty)

If you don't trust my word then this is a Cruzz quote


It would be good if you could edit your post so people who read it are not misguided.

I know that Cruzz wrote that, but I couldn't find a single data point backing that claim up in the game's files regarding mortars. I might still be wrong of course, but unless I see evidence to back Cruzz's word up (evidence I already looked for, so it's not like I am doubting Cruzz in general) this is the information available through the game files.

The only related information in the game files is based on accuracy, which does indeed suffer a penalty from firing into the fog of war. But mortars don't give a damn about accuracy, because their shot dispersion is purely based on scatter.

The mortar will fire more accurately if a friendly unit is spotting for it (aka a friendly unit as a direct los to the the mortar's target).

It's why Axis combo : Ost's mortar supported by OkW units (Pios) are unstoppable by Hmgs outside buildings (or by nearly anything...). (on maps like red ball express, steppes and the like).

Thanks

The accuracy of mortars has nothing to do with a unit being spotted by other units - if you don't see a unit, the mortar simply won't fire (excluding the case where you see a unit that is damaging an entity of yours without you actually having LOS on it).

Mortars actually don't have any accuracy, that's the funny thing about this. They only have scatter, which randomly disperses their "shots" around the point they are targeting (e.g. a model of an enemy unit). This is combined with their AOE damage (which falls off over distance, with values for both the maximum AOE range, and the different damage zones within that AOE) to ensure that mortars don't have to rely on direct hits.

Regarding the original "OP" thing: Mortars could be balanced around dealing less direct damage but having larger AOEs. It could also be worthwhile to consider giving mortars a chance to suppress units for a short time, allowing their damage to be reduced at the same time (without reducing their general impact). Currently, the game is heading into the Company of Artillery-direction again, especially in 2v2s and above. This is not fun and adds nothing to the gameplay, especially when considering the differently performing mortars (which for the most part of a match will be a team's primary artillery weapon).

Shermans gets PzIV stats. E8 will be non-doc with Panther stats and price. Add some heavy USF TD with JagdTiger parametres.

If they get the same costs, I would even be all for that. Considering the cost of the Ostheer Panzer IV in relation to its performance, the Sherman offers a much better deal (being almost as good at dealing with medium tanks, significantly better at dealing with infantry, and having duct tape right off the start). And seeing as the Ostheer Panther is not much better off, I also doubt that many players would be happy about the equalisation of the Easy 8.

Over the last year, we have seen the tank superiority (what was left of it) on the Axis side being obliterated, with nothing in the slightest being done to make up for it. The Sherman got multiple rounds of buffs without any cost increasements, and the British tanks have been punching significantly above their weight since release (for the most part, the Churchill is the overwhelming exception to that). Hell, even the Soviets saw some rework to their tanks (with the IS-2 in the end receiving the same frontal armour as the King Tiger, while Tiger I didn't see anything but nerfs). The claim that Axis tanks are a better investment for their cost is a pure lie at this point - and the only exception to that in the other direction is the StuG, which is kept in check by its numerous downsides.

Nothing, I think they're wonderful.

This is a suggestion for the Winter Balance Patch modders. If they ignore it, I'll just harvest or rebuild the AT Satchel functionality.

That's what this is intended for.

Interesting idea, although I think that having to research satchels and charges for a doctrinal unit is a bit weird. It puts them in a similar spot to Stormtroopers, who also have to upgrade to become useful, although Penals wouldn't suffer to the same extent as they perform well even without satchels and they only need a one time global research. I also don't think that Penals perform well enough to come in at the same time Guards did previously, while now Guards can come in quite a bit too soon. This definitely requires some tweaking.

Reinforcement costs and upkeep are just as important, if not more, at determining the real cost of the unit. Upkeep and reinforcement cost is what you keep paying time and time again so that your unit can vet.

A vet3 conscript is not a 240MP unit. It's a 240MP + however many times you would normally have to pay to reinforce that unit so that it can make it to there.

The buff to the bundle grenade significantly diminishes this upkeep (veterancy) cost, as the unit can now reach those higher tiers faster.

Secondly, the reinforcement cost of the unit also determines how much veterancy you award when you hit an enemy. Remember how much veterancy Tommies/PGrens/Sturmpioneers/Falls award when you're hitting them in the live version? With the reinforcement cost bug fixed, that is also fixed. Obviously, fighting an enemy vetting faster than you is a bad investment.

Finally, correct me if I am wrong, however Stormtroopers still cost 300MP. Now can you please enumerate how many of the higher upkeep units I listed cost less manpower than that?

That is all nice and dandy, but you're still ignoring the point that makes my other arguments work: Stormtroopers spawn in a state that is less than ideal, they have to upgrade first to become viable at anything. They don't compare to PzGrens without those upgrades, that was the core point of my argument. No other infiltration unit has such a high additional cost attached to become effective, not to mention the time delay that comes with it.

Then, if we set this into context how Ostheer works, we can suddenly see the problem: If we upgrade Storms to work as efficiently as other infiltration units, we lose out on mines and LMGs, especially the latter. That means we can no longer compete in infantry battles. Storms do not perform well enough (even with their upgrades) to offset that problem, essentially turning them into a trap for the player using them.