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I think it's a fundimental design flaw. Atm armour either works and deflects the shot or it doesn't and it takes damage. This all well and good except RNG can say it deflects it's hard counters every time OR none of the time. The effectiveness of counters is then either trivial or the armour itself is trivial if the counters get buffed. With the current system there is no alternative when it comes to high armored units and those intended to counter them.

I think dedicated high end TDs just need defection damage and a pen cut. This way armour does SOMETHING but TDs still are always a threat. Armour would act as an immunity to damage against plebling medium tanks and light TDs but also as a damage reduction against TDs at the very least,which is a far cry better than acting as cardboard like now.

This could also serve as a way to make certain underperforming premium units like the comet stand out more and solidify its role as a brawler

This would of course be faction independent as there are units on both sides that bring ire due to the woes of RNG.

Doesn't matter what you do with it anymore as it's absolutely useless. It takes far too long to shoot for the impact it's going to have and when it does hit its beyond unremarkable. It's a wasted slot in the commander. Literally if they put idk tank traps in there instead the commander would be better off.

Ober STGs are incredible. Massive amounts of DPS as well ignoring cover. They don't focus dps like the lmg does but they are no less powerful

Gutting units stock performance for the sake of "I don't like its stock performance" is not the reason either.

And no, its not different issue, its directly correlated, because penals are used not just because "penul op" meme, but because nothing else is viable alternative. I know you have a raging hate boner for every single soviet unit that doesn't require at least 60 muni investment to actually work, but for that move to even be viable consideration, penals would have to arrive at the same time as cons do as there would be absolutely no reason to ever go for them if they arrive later, cost more and still perform as shitty as cons since I hardly doubt you'd give them guards Mosins. Unless, you want to make SVTs stronger then they currently are, actually justifying that move and delay.

Gutting their early game, even though going penals equals to giving up map presence already doesn't make much sense from any pov.

The only problem with penal performance is how powerful they are so soon. If pgrens came in T0 they would be too strong because they come too soon (March deployment pios anyone?) so reducing the MP cost and adding a munitions path kills like 3 birds at once: super powerful unit from the word go, awfully slow Soviet start and great AI that can transition into a counter for its own counter.

Its just simply a bad design.. Cons need something REGARDLESS of penals (maxims too) but penals should be readjusted.
This isn't a matter of "penals op" it's a matter of "penals op FOR THEIR TIMING"

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OKW 350 + 300 = 650
OST 450 + 200 - 80 = 570
USF 400 + 200 = 600
UKF 350 + 280 = 630
SOV 390 + 170 - 160 = 400

I like how okw gets 1.5x the amount of mp as Soviet along with sturms AND cons that can scale. Good balance. Guise. good balance...

Edit. Wrong multiple for the math