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Thread: Give OKW Panzerbüchse 39 (anti tank rifle)31 Aug 2016, 13:14 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2016, 13:12 PMEsxile Certainly not because of zook blob. Was OKW blobbing a problem amongst the top ranks before or in tournaments? No. Doesn't mean it didn't exist and wasn't problematic. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Give OKW Panzerbüchse 39 (anti tank rifle)31 Aug 2016, 12:57 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2016, 09:59 AMEsxile So there is only 2 or 3 zooks in the blob, how is it an issue impossible to manage with a Pz4/Ostwind with some proper support. How tank traps and FP are something giving an edge to a blob? Smoke grenades are double edges sword, they don't shot at you neither. Grenade are powerful indeed but flamnade have a faster animation, guarantee a model kill on hit and deny area which for your opponent to micro a lot. Now I'm not saying a blob of RM with grenade isn't powerful, but volks with flamnade + shreck was far better. 2 or 3? more like 4 or 5. But who said blobs were only problematic when axis medium armour comes on the field? USF start blobbing from the get go. Axis light armour is easily dealt with by zooks. Then zooks continue to have use beyond this stage as the USF now have a buffed AT gun in support and pretty decent TD options, plus the sherman ain't no slouch. With regards to fighting positions and tank traps, I wasn't referring to their utility in directly aiding blobbing, just as you were surely not referring to the flame nade as a direct blob aid. But now you mention it, how could a fighting position with mg not give an advantage to a blob if well positioned? Also with a rear echelon garrisoned it fires out grenades. I guess what we are seeing in reality with the dominance of allies at the moment is just a figment of our imagination. Nothing to see here folks, move along. Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2016, 12:33 PMKatitof Observation bias with a fair dose of BS. Oh yes. You'd know a lot about that, wouldn't you? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Give OKW Panzerbüchse 39 (anti tank rifle)31 Aug 2016, 09:42 AM Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2016, 09:27 AMEsxile The problem with the volks shreck blob wasn't the shreck itself but the fact it gives the blob good and reliable AT capability + good and reliable AI capability aka 4 men firing AI + flamnade and all of that combined with cheap to maintain and reinforce unit. If we follow your argumentation, Sturmpio with Shreck is as good as was Volks with Shreck, which is, from your own words, not the case = they are not cheap, their AI capability is strongly reduced with 1 shreck. Now, I know what you mean with the zook blob, but I haven't see it as a problem playing Ostheer since, RE or RM, their AI capability are completely nullified with 2 zooks, I just call a couple of pzgren and they perfectly do the job. I guess a couple of Obers would do even better. The option is there to have one or two zooks, that is the point. So if you have two zooks split over two squads you can still retain the same lmg/bar dps of a double lmg/bar squad AND same dps as a double zook squad but with the risk spread in half. Your whole blob is likely to be far more devastating then any other blob. People don't play like this so much in 1v1 but it's real in 2v2. Also you mention flame nades on Volks as if REs and Rifles don't have any special capabilities themselves, that in their specific usages dwarfs the utility of the flame nade. Rifles have very useful smoke grenades and a pretty awesome regular grenade. REs have ability to build tank traps and fighting positions. Why complain about overall utility of pre schreknerf Volks when rear echelons and Rifles are so easily combined and share together a utility that surpasses the Volks all around offerings? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: firesparks' balance mod31 Aug 2016, 09:25 AM I think this goes in the wrong direction for a lot of things. For example making the 17 pounder too viable AND increasing bofor hp (without removing brace) just means that the map will be more totally locked off for the ukf. I don't like the agility nerf for the Cromwell either. Find a better way to reduce crush. In: Modding and Tools
Thread: Give OKW Panzerbüchse 39 (anti tank rifle)31 Aug 2016, 09:04 AM Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2016, 07:37 AMKatitof Because volks in comparison are: -Cheap to get -Cheap to sustain -Easy to replace -not sacrificing as much DPS and resources And bazookas in comparison is: -Dealing lower damage -not alpha striking -having lower penetration -shooting at targets that actually do use armor Because it would need to go down to bazooka level in terms of damage and penetration. Rear echelons have same exact purchase price and reinforce cost as Volks. And as far as schrek damage and pen vs zook goes, you conveniently discount the fact that you can dual wield 2 bazookas on rear echelons if you wish, and many people do, or put one on each of your lmg'd squads. There is also the little fact that zooks have 2 seconds faster rate of fire than schreks. 2 zooks firing 2 seconds a volley faster means that, all in all, zook blobs can end up being more powerful than schrek blobs ever were. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Give OKW Panzerbüchse 39 (anti tank rifle)30 Aug 2016, 16:02 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2016, 15:49 PMWilliam Christensen They by far having the smallest squad size compared to other infantry at vet 0 (only 0.7) so that's kinda compensate for their high cost. We can make Ober slightly cheaper (like 350 - 375 MP) and probably slightly cheaper reinfore as well.‎ With the changes, they can now act as Elite AI infantry at long-range earlier on (While its equivalent being Panzergrenadier works best at medium to close-range) and a mobile AT unit later on with double Schrecks upgrade. You don't have to put the Schrecks on immediately, you can keep them like people did with Panzergrenadiers. Squad size isn't balanced solely with received accuracy. There is also an offensive component, in this case a penalty with having fewer guns. In this case there would only be two kar98 rifles and two schreks. The difference is, aside from cost, that pgrens start with DPS that is worthy of their price. With obers to get value you HAVE to upgrade to lmg for 60muni which in assuming would be mutually exclusive with the proposed double schrek. It's just a bad idea. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Give OKW Panzerbüchse 39 (anti tank rifle)30 Aug 2016, 15:20 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2016, 14:38 PMKatitof You must've missed that patch in 2015 where ober reinforce cost was decreased considerably. Plus that's utter bullshit anyway on your part as they never were over 50 to reinforce. Please learn how reinforce formula works and know that all OKW units except volks reinforce for cheaper then that formula indicates. I read the wrong stat. Still I stand behind the point that obers are expensive and putting two schreks on them is a waste. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Give OKW Panzerbüchse 39 (anti tank rifle)30 Aug 2016, 14:37 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2016, 12:37 PMFino The panzerbuche does half the damage of a schreck and has 115 penetration as opposed to the 180/170/160 of the schreck. Would it really help? Wouldnt it be better to fix the Raketten instead? The idea is that there would be two of them and they would each fire faster than a schrek. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Give OKW Panzerbüchse 39 (anti tank rifle)30 Aug 2016, 14:35 PM Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2016, 13:24 PMWilliam Christensen I prefer the idea of moving Ober to Tier 2 (Medic HQ) then allow them to upgrade with double Schrecks. That way, OKW can open with Tier 2 without being too risky when it comes to deal with LVs rush. Or the idea of double Panzerbusches upgrade for Volks would be nice, but then it will be the whole new Panzerbusche blob thing which frankly, I think it will be a thing since Volks scale to late game better than Cons.‎ No! Never! Obers are EXPENSIVE and four man. No one will want to give them two schreks unless it also comes with two lmgs and sort out squad spacing. They cost 100mp to reinforce one member. Basically it's a stupid idea that will never gain traction. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Company of Heroes III - Your expectations29 Aug 2016, 09:49 AM Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2016, 04:06 AMUlaire Minya Infantry spacing/clumping button Now this is a great idea. Could have it like a squad formation selection like in aoe2. Also with True Sight, that would give excellent strategic opportunity and counter to arty. In: COH2 Gameplay