That "Opinion" is tested in cheatmods... and your data confirms this... as you previously menioned ostruppen wins long range engagements vs conscripts soo the argument is moot point...
well i guess mg is fucking useless as cons can beat it when they go from behind, buff the mg 42 as it should beat cons in all situations
u know that obers lose to close range squad or double bar rifleman at close range while being in tier 3 and costing a lot more than others?
units are designed to lose at certain range and win at others even if they cost less or more |
What is the support-weapon you are afraid? MG42? Mortar? PaK40?
- MG42 is good, but stops shooting if suppressed. On open field what means, pin it. It is the only unit Ostheer has to hold the early-game in balance.
- Mortar is worse than US-mortar, same dps, but needs longer to move = harder to counter.
- PaK40 has same DPS as british-PaK BUT is way slower in turning. The Vet1 ability is nice, but got nerfed. For me 6pounder is the better gun (it is also op, same dps as Zis would be also good, there is no tank left on german side, also you get Firefly and PaK-Emplacement too)
ok no it has more range so it's better at 60 or more range thanks to better accuracy of the range too, but soviet all have 6 man squad so they are still very good
btw the soviet mortar is actually more precise than the ost one at the cost rate of fire, ziz has AI barrage, and maxixim still does ot's job without being the old pain in the ass that was maxim spam |
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Literally every plane ability does it, they target the things inside the circle even if they go out as they are locked on |
Ostruppen gets vet aswell... not as good as cons but its good... BUT not only do cons have worse fighting ability but on top of all the advantages i mentioned ost still has the best support weapons bar none...
this is just your biased opinion with no facts to back it up, ostuppen beats cons only in cover at 30 range or more,u are just pushing ur narrative as u want if u want ur facts get it from the spread sheet |
Ok then make ost t1 cost some 40 ish fuel...
Look all of this is besides the point... the point here is that sov has this expensive sidetech equivalent to shooting your light vehicle phase in the foot just to get snares... how about we just let cons have cheaper AT snares is that somehow gamebreaking or smth??
what? so not even the saem 30 fuel the brits pay ? just 10 more fuel cause they are axis right ? mind putting 221 and greens in tier 0 too ? Cheaper at can be done that's not what you asked, what u asked was cheaper cons by 20/30 mp thats a lot |
Cons have better vet but are useless without vet. Cons also require heavy extra investment in order to reach their full potential. The cost to fully kit out cons is about what it costs for brits to increase the durability and dps of their infantry by 25% that is fucking nuts to think about.
Cons are bad because of the aforementioned additional cost but also that outside of vet they lack any means to scale meaning a wipe is irreplaceable. Wipes are bad for other factions as well of course but some of the loss can be made up by throwing munitions at them. If you lose a gren squad you can pay 60 mu and get most of their DPS back meaning they start to vet faster, same with Volks, rifles, RE, sappers, Obers and Tommies. If you lose a con squad you might as write them off because there is nothing you can do to make them even close to a vetted squad, they will lose hard to enemy vetted and armed squads and not deal enough damage to justify their pop cap.
With certain doctrines they are viable, but that makes them the only core unit in the entire game that is only viable if you lock out other choices which is horrible design.
u lose the 60 munitions spent on it too, and green pay for by missing in hp and mens so they are more prone to wiping, bte as already pointed out to kat, cons do their job at close range, nobody wants the old cons >cons>cons>cons>cons>medics>t70 meta cookie cutter, cons will always be useful to thanks to merge too |
Ostruppen gets an lmg 42
Ostruppen are much cheaper
Cons ppsh are still weaker than lmg grens stg volks and ostruppen in yellow cover
Ostruppen gets free at snares
Ostruppen can build trenches and bunkers
Ostruppen get 50% increased acc in cover
But most importantly
Ostruppen get far superior support assets...
Ostruppen are better
cons have much better vet, and they are a doc squad, "axis get free shit" whine as always, again that's cause of doc (same logic could be said for cons that can repair with doc),did u see ostruppen base accuracy ?, what is the superior support asset ?, btw ostppen have base 1,25 base recived accuracy, just so u know teh LMG doesn't get the bonus acc so it's half a normal lmg in power |
At nades to sappers* and sappers are in an expensive t1 upgrade... in contrast to the cheap t1 of wehr...
sapper = royal engineer (R E), R E comes out at around 40 munitions and the brits already have the UC as their own LV, green would not have anything if u removed panzer faust and if u moved to BP1 u would need to make it much cheaper than now, i mean if u want 2 min 222 u are free to move it to bp1 and lowering the price |
Not without ppsh, they are not. In fact, they are one of the most inefficient squads in game if not the most inefficient one without dedicating them a doctrine.
HP advantage is completely irrelevant when you go up against weapons that deal 50% or more DPS then yours.
Come on, were you hiding your head in the sand for last 3 years?
hello guys today with dora we will do some math lesson yeaa, what is 6x4 ? it's 24 gj guys, now what's 6x3,6 ? 21,6 gj guys, now for the last one, 480/24 ? 20 , and 320/21,6 ? its 14,5 gj guys but now go to advanced math we need to count received acc so it becomes 19 seconds and 16 (im being a bit generous) seconds respectively
in conclusion cons beat green at close range with 3 seconds of advantage
this is not counting that green lose 1/4 of their dps for each man while cons only lose 1/6
now kat where were when the teacher was explaing math in school ? |
As i said it comes with tech... ok since you seem to be too mentally challenged to understand it lets remove the at nade sidetech from sov and tie it to t1/2... how about that?
i always asked my self where were u and the other "axis get tech for free" guys when they gave the at nades to R E to brits i guess that's not free right ?
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