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Thread: can we now fix soviet T2 please?21 Dec 2018, 17:31 PM i would take 3 tank vs 2 any day it's 160 more damage and 640 more health for 80 less armor and 10 less pen, for me that's a deal especially if i paid tier 4 30 fuel less brits have access to healer, it's in their forward building, and like okw some of their unit can heal ooc tier 1 of soviet is 10 fu not 20, thats tier 2 (in fact u should know best as u already participated a tread about soviet tier 4 and asking for a cost reduction only for other to prove that SU still pay less for teching) u also conveniently forgot to add the staring resources for each factions (okw start at 5 while most start at 20) btw it's u who want to compare soviet vs volks and then say that volks get free stuff cause u only count the optional upgrade that u want okw has the most total cost for teching, if we don't count optional then brit pay more, that's it In: COH2 Balance
Thread: can we now fix soviet T2 please?21 Dec 2018, 16:54 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 16:48 PMgbem the zis would like to have a word with you... mind you the rakaten is not the worst AT gun... however it is the cheeziest... it cannot be used like standard AT guns like the pak 40 or the M7 or the 6 pdr... it has to be used in hold fire and open fire only when a tank has either come close enough for you to snare and kill with the rak... also mind you rakatencheese is the best ambulance killing and repairing tank killing strategy ingame... lastly rakatens cant be spotted via mortar flares pathfinders snipers or recon T-70s.... this means an area that is thought to have little AT might be a deathtrap for any tank... also it absolutely neutralizes the snipers ability to pick it off and the soviet mortars ability to push off an AT gun by mortarfire... lastly the rakaten costs 270 mp... same as an m7 but better... the sthealt of the rakt is there cause it only has 50 range and doesn't have atgun cover(shhots don't bounce from the at defense) the m7 has more range more cone of fire fire faster but has less pen btw im all in to remove the rakt and add the old v coh pak 38 (same stats as the current usf at gun but less cone of fire and instead of pen rounds they get first strike: 50% more pen and accuracy for the first shoot out of stealth ) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: can we now fix soviet T2 please?21 Dec 2018, 16:48 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 15:59 PMgbem and what range is midrange exactly? i had a 20 range engagement using sandbags as a measuring stick and volks won consistently... your "last tier" is equivalent to ost T4 and is superior to sov T4 (looks at OKW P4) sov pays with medics on a faction that is equivalent to a gigantic manpower sink outside of penal deathsquads... OKW pays with 15 fuel on a building thats basically designed for extremely efficient support/blob play... also OKW doesnt even have to pay for medics for healing... sturmpios drop healing for muni... imo much better than a 250mp manpower sink or a 15 fuel upgrade... look the okw p4 cost around 150 fuel u can almost buy 2 t 34 for it.... the test i have done was around 17 range(as i don't have an ingame meter i simply put sandbag at half the vision range of the unit).... okw pays 15 fuel for each truck, it's not a one time thing sturm pay for the med drop each time , they are not free (like the brit ones) just so u know cons are one unit of the soviet the other 8 benefit from the medics too In: COH2 Balance
Thread: can we now fix soviet T2 please?21 Dec 2018, 16:41 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 16:01 PMgbem the ambu imo is the greatest battle implement ingame XD... so long as rakatencheese doesnt blow it up... but rakatens are another form of cancer that need to be dealt with... u know rakt is the worse at gun and everyone would trade it for the pk 38 for v coh ? (stationary stealth, same pen as usf, but they get huge first strike bonus instead of pen rounds) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: can we now fix soviet T2 please?21 Dec 2018, 15:23 PM i tested too they lost at mid range 3 time and won 3 tahts 50 % ....... u forgot the cost of the last tier and the optionals, dont "but they are optionals" me cause u pay medics for mp and okw has to pay them in fuel ........ In: COH2 Balance
Thread: can we now fix soviet T2 please?21 Dec 2018, 14:45 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 14:36 PMgbem stock cons lose to stock volks on all but the closest ranges meanwhile stock volks get a free pzfaust with a tech building... free incendiary nades with the sws truck which mind you the molly is the worst incendiary nade ingame bar none... and a nondoc weapon upgrade... cons stock or not are trash compared to volks... molotov only has a bit less range, thye deal same damage and the time needed to explode is the same, just so u know okw pay the most for teching, their so called upgrades are covered by the cost of trucks the difference between the dps of 1 cons vs 1 volks is always almost 1 dps, at long range that hurts, but at close-mid range where the damage is higher overall cons gain the advantage thatnks to having 1 more man (1 more rifle and 80 more hp) the fights go like: 80% for volks at long, 50% at medium and 80% for cons at close, when they are at base upgrades, cons even get better vet, if ur problem is the stg wither they change it to a LMG or they give stv to cons In: COH2 Balance
Thread: can we now fix soviet T2 please?21 Dec 2018, 14:31 PM cons don't need a cost decrease, as they do their role early game, if u problem is the match up vs volks AFTER stg then just add either a dp28 upgrade or 3 stv upgrade at tier 4 In: COH2 Balance
Thread: can we now fix soviet T2 please?21 Dec 2018, 10:27 AM Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 04:58 AMgbem penals are the best mainline infantry pound per pound followed by rifles then IS... regardless OKW volksgrenadiers are still the MOST EFFICIENT SQUAD per MP cost having vastly superior performance to the conscript across the board for a measly 10mp increase... they even get a no brainer nondoc weapon upgrade... compared to volks conscripts are TRASH... this is balanced by the superior performance of the rifleman and the blob suppression and manpower bleed of the sniper/mg-42... but compared to these assets the conscript is simply left in the dust changing the narrative... nice afaik the weapon crew of the maxim has higher RA from what i remember by graaf`s tests... the dps sheet here doesnt include RA so i couldnt double check this without a buff to the conscript may lead to maxim spams tbh... especially against OKW since the maxim is the only way one can achieve parity with the volksgrenadier.. solution: buff the conscript to volks levels nerf the volks to conscript levels bonus acc is to LVs only as far as i know... still TWP is a more dangerous ability in the right hands barrage got buffed since it was useless at 60 munitions and therefore was reduced to 35 in order to become usable... it wont make cons OP... it will give cons parity with the volksgrenadier which SHOULD BE 20/30 mp higher... i did not change the narrative I just made a mistake u can see it in my previous reply I wrote that IS wins at long range and green too ( Meant at short) Weapon have same ra across the board only the soviet have 2 more mans As along as they don’t buff the set up time maxim spam will not be possible (u see mg 42 spam ?) The munitions cost was reduced recently but they nerfed the aoe too previously Increasing the volks cost by 30 would need an adequate buff to as they would cost the same as IS or rifle man The Brit’s get the bonus acc + the vet ability (it makes it impossible to circle strife ) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: can we now fix soviet T2 please?20 Dec 2018, 23:38 PM Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 20:51 PMKatitof Don't stop there, keep going, don't ignore LMG upgrade either. Remember that these are also conscripts, not Warp Spiders, they will have to actually approach target first, not blink into CQC range and they will deal 50% less dps while receiving full for at least 2-3 seconds. See? I'm encouraging you, that's way better educational method then scolding. " quote" " they are efficient at what they are designed for, close range, and 80 more hp is nothing to scof at Not without ppsh, they are not. In fact, they are one of the most inefficient squads in game if not the most inefficient one without dedicating them a doctrine. HP advantage is completely irrelevant when you go up against weapons that deal 50% or more DPS then yours. Come on, were you hiding your head in the sand for last 3 years? " they win at close as i said while u said they did not without ppsh, and u said hp advantage is irrelevant and i proved my point (remember not all map are open field) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: can we now fix soviet T2 please?20 Dec 2018, 20:40 PM Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 20:03 PMgbem riflemen?? the most OP main line infantry?? no... just no... volksgrenadiers are the most cost efficient and OP line infantry BAR NONE... followed by penals and then rifles followed grens followed by IS followed by conscripts as the worst mainline infantry... IS have a very flat DPS curve afaik... they retain good DPs at long ranges in exchange for short range DPS.... IS should win at long and medium range... maybe lose at closer ranges the maxim trades firing arc for faster setup and 6 man for high recieved accuracy and deathloop... it doesnt trade suppression for anything... even saying that one of the best mg ingame is comparable to THE worst mg ingame is astounding... you know what since you think the maxim is soo good maybe they should switch the MG-42 and the maxim... leave ost with the maxim for a patch and see how many people complain ehh? the pak is more expensive than the USF one but i love the USF one bcz of APCR... still the pak is superior to both the brit and US AT gun due to target weakpoint the hence why i equated the turbomortar and the self spotting mortar... one is a really good barrage mortar due to its fast ROF and can self counterbatt and the other can self spot for 30 muni is slightly more precise and has a 6 man crew.... barrage is useless vs non blobbing and non static enemies and 6 man doesnt save it from its awful RA... volks op yayayada stg are x 1000 better than bar yada yada, etc rifleman are still the best mainline infantry, they carry the entire faction, that's why usf has awful support weapon..... what i meant is that IS beats green at long and medium range but green beat them at close ...... maxim has the same RA as mg42 what are on ?...... as already said the maxim just needs a 0,001 increase in sup and 20% more damage so it's not another clone mg it will suppress and deal damage while mg 42 only suppress...... tw is good but other at guns have some really good vet too (for example more range on usf) and if im not wrong the brit one still has bonus acc to either LV or tank...... the barrage is used and they even had to nerf cause it was too good and wiped easily, now u can kill some units with the first shoot and if u are aming at support weapon or building it sill kill it..... reducing the cost by 20/30 mp would amk4e cons op, just look what happened when they slightly buffed them cause everyone was whining, they instantly had to revert the range changes.... edit:forgot to add dot at the end of every phrase.... ........................ In: COH2 Balance