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1. Rifleman upgrades are not just MU, it's also MP and FU to unlock.
2. ...also should cost much more than what exactly?
3. Doctrinal units don't have to be a straight up better version of standard units.

Please, compose a full argument so I can give you a thorough response.

PFs have attractive abilities like panzerfaust from the start, which helps your army not to get bullied by the M3 with flame thrower CE inside. The weapon upgrade is strong and squad being 6-men with increased sight allows you to spot MGs and make good decisions before and during engagement. If you don't find such features appealing then you don't have to use this unit.

i will explain my full argument:

1 we don't increase the base cost of an unit cuase of it's upgrades, we increase the upgrade cost
2 the upgrades are priced fairly, the shreck make us lose at nades and pfusi g 43 is a mix of cons upgrade and g 43 upgrade (the g 43 are still worse tho than normal)
3 the unit itself deals worst damage than volks and cost more, i could understand if they were better or costed similar but both worse and more expensive does not make sense

they either need to : reduce the cost in mp as they don't perform for the price or a better base weapon to make them perform for their price

the argument that they have better scalling or they have versatile upgrade is worthless as we have unit with great vet and versatility that don't pay for it by being overpriced, and they are not even doctrinal


let's not forget u don't pay for nades and upgrades unlock for doctrinal units (and even then pfusi upgrade are locked behind tech)

the simple comparison is rifle, both have great vet and versatility, but one actually perform for its price while the other does not, and before u say "rifle pay for nades and upgrades", yes they do and pfusi are doctrinal and have draw backs (no at nades with shreck , unlike zook, no 6 g43, unlike bar)

so again why should pfusi cost more and be worse ?

btw pfusi vet is almost the same as penal

You compared PFs to Volks and said the PFs are more expensive and deal less damage than Volks. I then said that your claim is not always true because you should take the upgrades into account. Please, be honest about the unit performance.



Ok, but you'll have to build an additional tech structure for 160 MP and 10 FU to be able to field them. Deal?

rifle should cost much more cause they deal more damage with upgrades great logic right ?

do they come doctrinal ?

Well, we can put them to what they were and lock them behind 2CP again if you'd like.

They have more out of the gate then volks(AT nade alone not requiring any trucks), just not more dps.

And if price gap is such an issue for you, fear no longer, because we're rising volks cost.

do we do the same for other 0 cp units ? like ass green and eng ?

Upgraded they deal more damage. It's a supplement and an investment for OKW build order.

You could follow the same logic with paratroopers - just under 400 MP, being marginally better than 6-man rifleman would be, unless you upgrade them for 90-120 muni, then they excell. Difference here is that paratroopers come late and it's sometimes difficult to find a spot for them in your army, as you usually have quite a few infantry units by the time you reach 3 CPs.

well what did u expect form a 90 mun upgrade to be worse than a 60 mun ?

Can we address the self spotting, zero popcap axis bunkers please? At the very least they shouldn't have 55 sight range for some bizzare reason.

they already did tho