Yeah too bad that upgrade doesn't give them an extra man and doesn't buff their sight or anything like that. Its a real shame it only gives them silly g43s...
I'm aware of the dps numbers. Apparently it's the only thing you care about...
then how much do u value the extra men and sight ? cause cons are 50 mun and they give and increase in dps ,vet and reinforce other than the extra men are u saying the increase in dps vet and reinforce only value 0 and the extra men 50 mun ? |
I already covered all of this. I'm aware of their stats and upgrade cost.
They scale better. Do you believe that just a difference of 30 Muni in upgrade cost is enough to account for how much better they are by the end of the game?
Cause I don't. They should also cost a little more by default
yes i do believe cause if for 1 time if u actually go and check the dps stg are pretty similar to g43s, and they will lose at mid range thanks to volks base superior dps |
You have clearly not understood my post then, I don't backpedal from it. Obers are overpriced unless you buy them an upgrade, just like PFs, but you have freedom to build PFs whenever you want unlike Obers. If you decide to implement PFs in your build too early and in masses, you are going to suffer from your build order decisions. Please, read again:
If you take a look at Obersoldaten, Paratroopers, Guards and Rangers, all these units perform rather poorly for their cost if you don't buy them any upgrades. They excell once their special weapons are handed to them. Powerful units like these can shift balance if upgraded early, so most of these units are locked behind CP or tech. PFs used to be locked behind CP as well, however a change was implemented that allowed players to field these units early so they could improve the variety and army composition and also vet early on. It was a good change. The source of the cost-performance issue you see is driven by locked-behind-tech expensive upgrade with which the unit is intended to be used.
I also explained why I think the PFs aren't straight up equal or superior to Volks in every situation as you want them to be.
they are still overprice even with the upgrade, that's the difference
yea no they perform very well even without upgrades u can see by their elite weapons and numbers (if think obers are the only unit with the power fully gated behind upgrade as the developer team wanted them, old obers came with lmg alredy there)
this doesn't excuse their worse performance AND higher cost , 1 of them would be fine but both just make the unit useless |
For the love of God. I'm talking about pfussies vs volks. That literally what you just asked me
You: why should they be worse than volks and cost more
Me: they scale better than volks
You: they scale as well as penals and Rifleman
Uhh okay?
Can you try making an ounce of sense? Please?
do u actually think before u write ?
if they have worse base dps and betters scaling then they equalize (2 x 4 = 4 x 2), and if u go check the dps chart u actually see pf are still worse than volks at mid and close range without upgrades
and before u say" but then with upgrade they are better" do the upgrade cost 60 munition ? |
*In the beginning of the game
They scale better. You telling me that a 30 Muni difference in upgrade cost is all that's needed to account for how good Fusis are late game?
Imo that's complete bs
lol p fusi have the same vet as penal, they scale about the same as rifle
btw how good are fusy late game ? they are about penal lvl tho, thye have just alittle edge thanks to the g 43s cause they alredy have worse rifle and u even pay more mp (280 mp +25 of the extra men) |
For like the 3rd time why are you comparing fusiliers to Pathfinders and Ass engies?
Edit: i see your latest post
Your Rifleman example makes no sense. What's my cp0 alternative to rifleman? I have a scout or an engineer squad, neither serves as an alternate mainline
Snare, scaling, multiple upgrade paths, justifies the cost. Not just snares
Rifleman have to spend 300mp and 30 fu just to unlock their upgrades, that's not a great argument either
leaving aside the teching cost of okw (again axis has the cost put in the tech)
is there any reason why they should be worse than volks ? at least give them the same rifle
they are both worse in dps and cost more |
You just trolled me for disagreeing with them on fusilier price adjustment...
So because I don't agree with you about all nerfs, im biased towards allies? And you're making shit up again, i agreed with multiple nerfs to the Pak howy
But again, you can't leave it be. This has nothing to do with fusiliers, who for some reason you keep comparing to squads that are nothing like them
i compared them to volks and rifle and people start saying "well other tier 0 unit don't scale well" which is false
any way u could just read my post in page one. the explanation is there
worse than and volks but cost same as rifle , the snare argument does not justify the 30-20 mp cost and worse performance ( would u call rifle a good unit if it got the snare at vet 0 and it costed 300 mp ?) |
Funny you mentioned these, because assault engies are known for scaling terribly bad into mid and late game and pathfinders are 100% reliant on stock BARs as their own scaling isn't enough.
seems strange considering their vet and utility
and don't p fusi need upgrade to scale ?  or are u saying to give them the upgrade for free ?  |
What the hell are you talking about?
Cuz you've NEVER disagreed with the mod team before. No that never happened....
well yes ? i can agree on something and disagree on other what's the problem ? |
What the hell are you talking about?
Go look through it then. Cause you're wicked wrong lol
considering u pretty much are present in any nerf x axis unit to ask for more nerf and present in any nerf x allied unit to show it's not op (and fail as u don't have arguments) and then the mod teams nerf said unit u so feverishly tried to defend i say yes u might be a little biased (churchill, howy, pack ) |
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