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Thread: My real problem with COH39 Dec 2021, 09:49 AM Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2021, 09:39 AMaerafield Riiiiiiight, that was 100% and objectively worse than: - nondoc elefant & ISU who remove 90% of a tank's health with one shot - 4 minute T-70 with inf crush thanks to soviet industry - free Tiger ace with inpenetrable frontal armor and buying veterancy - T34/76 in t3 with a whopping 10% chance to penetrate frontal armor of a P4 - "lava on the ground" pioneer flamethrowers with random flamer crits - OKW on release with a ludicrous resource system, unit roster and broken veterancy - Brits on release where every unit was either OP af or bugged - ..... Shall I continue? The list of memes from 2013-2016 CoH2 patches is endless. Someone remembers the deleted YouTube video in early 2016 shortly before the ESL cups, where a patch accidentally removed veterancy from the game and added the USF combined arms bug? You either talking about alpha release (non doc elefant & ISU) or broken commander commander on release. On you original post you are talking up to 2016. The game was in good spot balance why before the MOD team took over but don't take me word for it but the other of other at the the time: Jump back to quoted post12 May 2016, 18:32 PMelchino7 ... As most other people have commented several months before, the game is balanced but ONLY STRICTLY if we talk about going meta. Options have been drastically reduced. In: Lobby
Thread: My real problem with COH39 Dec 2021, 09:24 AM Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2021, 09:13 AMaerafield ... 2) Relic did not ask the community for help in CoH2 until 2016 when they realized they messed up, until then they basically had a "we know it better" approach and the balance was the worst mess ever. People who are around since 2013 unlike some 2018 CoH2 Steam Sale Andys, know exactly what I am talking about This is incorrect. Relic did work with community member from early on since they had closed alpha and beta and open ones. The game was not in the "worst mess ever". One of worse mess ever was probably after the first community patch when ourah penal with flamers where running around burning everything for 6 month and then calling in no tech medium tanks... But that was to be expect since it was the first attempt to fix a number of issues. In: Lobby
Thread: My real problem with COH39 Dec 2021, 08:04 AM The MOD team has made a great job in improving the game. Fixing so many bug, adding new abilities, improving descriptions, names of abilities, adding new symbols, adding new skin and so on was an admiral job. Imo the only downside of community patches is reduction of unique faction design. But that should be expected when many people are working together and each of them has his vision of faction design. Imo this model will work better with Relic and community member working together closer. In: Lobby
Thread: Seems odd that JT can nuke heavy at with barrage8 Dec 2021, 15:55 PM Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2021, 15:22 PMMMX Very interesting results, thanks for sharing these. You are welcomed. (a lot of digital could be saved if people made test like this before posting...) Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2021, 15:22 PMMMX Btw, do you know where does the Brummbaer's extra damage come from? I didn't even know it deals more against emplacements. Target tables. It does extra damage vs building and emplacement similar to AVRE/ST. Imo that is the design these vehicles should follow as assault guns more about destroying strong points and less about squad wipes. I had suggested a long time ago thankfully it was implement to the ST recently. Creating dedicated vs emplacements could help them be to be balanced easier. Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2021, 15:22 PMMMX Also: Why is this important? I remember there are some issues when spawning vehicles vs building them, but I never heard about any bugs related to instant building speed being enabled. Instant production (at least in version 1) does actually speed up production of buildings. It simply "materializes" buildings but those structures are not updated and in many cases are different from actual game buildings. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Seems odd that JT can nuke heavy at with barrage8 Dec 2021, 14:57 PM Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2021, 14:41 PMdonofsandiego Am I misunderstanding something here? I recall multiple debates about the differences between pak43 and 17pdr, and one fact that was always highlighted was that the 17pdr had a massive hurtbox compared to the pak43, as in the entire entity, sandbags and all, cause damage to the 17pdr. Unless that's changed recently I'm pretty sure this is still the case. Hitbox and graphical representation are different things. I suggest you test in cheat mode vs a weapon with little AOE and find out for yourself and return with the test results. On to another issues and since the scatter values have been supplied can we end the claim that JT does not have scatter since it clearly has? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Seems odd that JT can nuke heavy at with barrage8 Dec 2021, 14:21 PM Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2021, 14:15 PMTickTack Thanks for confirming that JT can hit 17pdr beyond its range with JT barrage, and for testing the 3 shot barrage. ... You are welcomed. These test are rather easy to perform yourself even with cheat mode 1. Just enable health monitor and use 100% heal button in the end a text will appear explaining how much health it has repaired. Only make sure that have disable instant build when making the 17p emplacement. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Seems odd that JT can nuke heavy at with barrage8 Dec 2021, 13:45 PM Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2021, 12:17 PMMMX The scatter is definitely large if you're trying to hit an infantry squad or a tank, but compared to the size of something as huge as the 17 pdr it's rather negligible for sure. The picture below isn't 100% accurate but should give a good indication about how big the JT's barrage scatter is (the inner box is with vision, the outer one for firing into the FoW, both at max range of 95 m) So, nuking a large structure like the 17 pdr is definitely no problem as long as you have constant vision on the target, and even without you shouldn't see more than one or two shots per barrage miss completely (this assumes of course that the hitbox of the gun is as large as the model, which I don't know) And, yes, I'd say for 40 ammo that's a pretty cheap way of getting rid of it. I do have to point out that actually hit box of the 17p is not the same as the area with sandbag. This can been see if one fire an ATG will small aoe and shot land within the circle it will do little to no damage. I did some testing and fired 10 barrage of three shots on 17p from a brumbar and JT at around max range in normal map not test range. Brumbar did on average 577 damage (as I remembered it has bonus damage vehicles) JT did on average 312 damage None of them managed to destroy a full HP 17p, man brumbar damage was 700 (from a potentially max 750) and JT 460 (from a potentially max 480/800 with 3/5 shots) 17p has 900 HP. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Seems odd that JT can nuke heavy at with barrage8 Dec 2021, 11:52 AM Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2021, 11:47 AMTickTack Ok so by using these scenarios for comparison, I take it to mean that you consider the JT barrage accuracy to be similar to: concrete piercing round and brummbar barrage. Those are both accurate enough to be good, hence the JT scatter is also good, I take it you're saying No concrete round/(probably IS-2's Fragmentation shell too) should hit exactly where you fire it with little to no scatter. Brumbar/(probably dozer too) should scatter slightly more on second and third round but possibly do more damage due to AOE (and as far as I remember Brumabr does extra damage to buildings.) I suggest you ask MMX to run a comparison of these weapons in his scatter tool: https://www.coh2.org/topic/105279/scatter-this-your-trusty-scatter-calculator I hope you find this useful. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Seems odd that JT can nuke heavy at with barrage8 Dec 2021, 11:43 AM Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2021, 11:42 AMKlement Pikhtura Both Stupa's and JT's barrages have scatter, since they fire multiple rounds Brumbar is curious case first shot has less scatter than second and third. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Seems odd that JT can nuke heavy at with barrage8 Dec 2021, 11:36 AM Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2021, 11:28 AMTickTack Which other abilities' scatter are most similar to this ones? So we can get an idea of how accurate the barrage is. Because the replay shows some consistent shot grouping, I'm sure you'd agree. A very interesting questions, I have to say I did not watch the replay. MMX can provide you with better stat on this matter and you can also check his tools scatter this. What is more improtant is the combination of scatter/damage/AOE Will provide you with some stat from Sereal but they do not provide as good a picture as MMX tool: G-530 Concrete Piercing Round Damage 240 Scatter Scatter angle 0 Distance offset 0.5 Distance ratio 0.1 Distance max 0 AOE Radius 6 Distance near 1.25 Distance mid 2.75 Distance far 4.5 JT supporting Fire Scatter Damage 160 Scatter angle 8 Distance offset 0 Distance ratio 0.0672 Distance max 10 AOE Radius 4.5 Distance near 0.5 Distance mid 1.5 Distance far 3.5 Brumbar barrage shot with scatter Damage 160 Scatter Scatter angle 9 Distance offset 0 Distance ratio 1 Distance max 8 AOE Radius 6 Distance near 0.625 Distance mid 1.25 Distance far 6 Fragmentation shell AOE of 8. AOE damage 1/0.5/0.2 AOE distance 0.15/2/8 Deals 120 damage (I guess it has no scatter either) One can note that Concrete round has little scatter (it is single 240damge shell thou), brumbar has slightly more but on the other hand it has better AOE and less range. (don't have the number for the dozer but is 5 shell 70 range with scatter probably comparable to brumbar) In: COH2 Balance