Profile of Vipper

The game is built on asymmetry not consistency.

That is completely off mark (and false).

I did not ask for performance but for behavior consistency which as I have already point to you is irrelevant to symmetrical or asymmetrical balance.

Your idea wouldn't be an targeted area ability either by suggesting this ability would track (not truck) targets through buildings unlike all the abilities you are claiming consistency with. The only unit that would track like this at the moment would be the Pak 43 with vision of the target opposite an obstruction (a static emplacement). So again, all facets of this idea are terrible for a mobile TD.

Since it seem you have missed the first time allow me to explain again:

1) The ability already tracks but only after 4-5 secs after activation

2) The 17p AP round ability which is closest thing to APCBC-HE, and allows the unit to fire thru world objects does to track target for the start of the ability.

3) The ability are similar and cost the same only the 17p's does not come with reload penalty so there are inconsistency both in performance and behavior.

Now pls lose the forum warrior mentality and stop trying prove that you are "right".

You mean just make concrete round but better for the JT.... Sounds like a terrible idea.

Read the title and comparison with 17p ability.

Name: "28.3kg APCBC-HE Shells"
Duration: 35 Seconds
Cost: 60 Munitions

-25% reload speed.
Projectiles will penetrate all world objects

Now what happen when using this ability is:
After around 4-5 JT will truck and fire on visible targets even behind shot blockers at a lower rate of fire.

It is possible to get around 3 rounds out this ability but not very probable.

The problems are that during the preparation time the unit will not track the target and to make if user order an attack on the target the unit will try to move in a position with a clear line of site.

Oddly enough the similar ability available to 17p does not seem to suffer from a similar issue (nor does it seem to have slower ROF)

In order for a user to get most of this ability one has to first align the unit manually and then activate the ability or wait preparation time and let the unit autofire.

That makes the ability which comes with reload penalty confusing to use.

My suggestion would be that the "effects" of world piercing should start with the activation of the ability without the "preparation" delay allow player to aim from the start of the ability or for the unit to acquire target from the start. It seem that it should be possible as it for 17p

Alternatively it could be replaced with a singe shot.

You didn't say that the LeFH vetted faster than the ML20, but you pointed out that Soviet models give less XP without the context of larger Soviet squads. It doesn't matter how much XP the single model gives, but how much a shot gives. With Soviet squads being 1.5x times larger than Ostheer ones, it makes sense that Ostheer squads need to yield 1.5x times more XP, because larger squads have a higher chance of being hit due to covering a larger area and you hit more models in general. How this plays out in detail from shots hitting in the middle of the squad to only clipping some models with their far AoE is difficult to answer. Maybe MMX knows more, but I remember him saying that TTK (in the case of infantry vs heavy tanks) does not depend on the squad size. But again, the only things I wanted to point out is:
1. Soviet infantry yielding less XP is a necessity due to larger squad sizes.
2. USF and UKF exist, which yield fairly high XP values compared to Soviets.

As a last point, there are also Soviet Penals builds which combine both high cost and large squad size.

My point is that there in nothing to support the theory that Lefh vet faster.

If you want to talk about XP gain taking damage also contributes XP so in a case of grenadier vs conscript things are a bit complicated.

I have not tested but I am assume that one would have to inflict equal (or even above since one will probably awarded more XP for a kill than damage) total x1.5 to conscript squad to get the same amount as grenadier squad. One might be able to get that much damage if a squad is clumped up but I doubt one would be able in normal spacing.

I you are interested in exploring it more I suggest testing it or try to theorize using the scatter tool.

The dive bomb has been removed from Jager Armor specifically after the community requested it to be, because artillery to bleed out your opponent was one of the few counters to Elefant builds.

Yes had pointed out that this abilities should be removed even from the first commander revamp (2018) and unfortunately took several year before it was implemented.
https://www.coh2.org/topic/81270/commander-rework-approach

Sextons and Priests surely are a contributing factor. But if you look at the commanders in Ostheer and OKW back in March-June and the fact that your ML20 when in doubt would lose the shoot out (at that time especially with CB), it is not surprising that ML20s are not popular.

My point is that according to the available stats and for the time they avaiable Combined Arms Army remain one of the most popular soviet commander in load-outs and that is because of the ML20 and the synergy with rest of the abilities.

In sort I doubt that ML-20 does not somehow cut it. Else people would not bother having it in their load out.

At least in the current build, Axis have a very good counter to emplacements and infantry based arty with OKW's Stuka.

Yes they have, vet 1 ability is quite good.

I personally would still rather use an Lefh if my opponent does not have off map counter.

Isn't the XP value coupled to cost (either directly or manually as a trend?).

XP used to be directly tied to cost.

Most patches that change the cost of unit did not change the XP values accordingly while some units had the XP changed so currently XP value are mess.

Soviet squads also have more models that can be hit and give XP, so it is more of a question of how large the XP difference actually is. Basically is e.g. 6*Conscript XP similar to 4*Grenadier XP?
I don't know those values to be honest, but as long as the Grenadier XP value is roughly 1,5 times larger than the Conscript one, they vet similarly.

Also, the LeFH does not only shoot at Soviets. UKF emplacements are prime targets as well, and UKF and USF infantry are worth a lot more.

XP values of entities

Grenadier 60
Riflemen 56
IS 54
VG 50
Conscripts 40

XP value of entity itself is enough to determine only in wipes. In the case that squad survives one has to take into the total damage dealt multiplied XP so a weapon firing on conscripts squad probably has to deal 1.5X damage to gain the same veterancy as firing on grenadier squad.

But what I did not claim that ML-20 vet faster , I simply pointed out that I see no reason why LeFH would vet faster.

From my experience OKW trucks are a prime target for ML-20/120mm mortar since the are big and have high XP value and if one want to gain veterancy one should aim for them.