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Thread: 105mm Sherman and Brummbar should be less durable9 Jan 2022, 16:31 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2022, 16:17 PMMr Carmine I distincly remember some people complaining that bbb was usseles because they reduced they range of the ability. And it got reversed. I could have misread that, or just be plain wrong. If so my apologies. But it doesnt change my opinion the bbb is to good for its cost and or the unit its on. Its to punishing fo tw atm. You can find the change log here and check for the patches Brumbar got. https://www.coh2.org/topic/4307/coh2-changelog When it comes to barrage there mostly nerfs The ability might or might not be "to good for its cost" (it used to be free) but comparison with Zis barrage are not really helpful in anyway and seem more like rant about allied things being up and axis things being op than anything else. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: 105mm Sherman and Brummbar should be less durable9 Jan 2022, 10:46 AM Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2022, 08:33 AMMr Carmine The brumbar regurarly kills more then one model in a single shot as well as damaging quite a few as well. Ofcourse when it hits. The bbb a while back had less range then currently. It made the ability quite underwelming. I dont know if the intervall between rounds in the bbb is the the same as then but imo when the range was shorte, afaik the same as the regular shell (45) the low intervall made sense. The brumbar was mostly in range of dedicated at units. Right now it can fire the bbb from 60 range with imo to low interval. For 30 munition (i was under the assumption it was 15 before) while far deadlier for 5 muni difference it to cheap imo. There are abilities as deadly or close wich cost more and are easier to stop/counteract. You often hear that wiping abilities are bad for the game, yet usualy when it involves late game units from axis mostly but also allies sometimes its fine when they hit so hard that vetted units get wrecked in a single shot or seconds. Brumbar's barrage has the same range since it was introduced there has been no buff to the barrages range. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: 105mm Sherman and Brummbar should be less durable9 Jan 2022, 00:11 AM Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2022, 18:16 PMHannibal Vipper, I tested it. You need to kill off 5 vet0 Conscript squads and you are super close to vet1. That's 30 kills plus another shot at the sixth squad. Let it be 32 kills then if we want to account for the pure HP damage giving XP. Doesn't defeat my point in saying that killing 30 Conscripts in game are enough for vet1, nor does it defeat my point about vetted Conscripts when the Brummbar hits the field, nor the argument about USF and UKF. If you don't believe it, please test it and report back. I am fairly sure you misunderstand him. He is talking about the extended 60 range of the BBB. Is "buff" the 100% correct word for that? No, but in the context of the whole paragraph, I understand the BBB's extended range. But maybe Mr. Carmine can clarify. I have no idea what you are on about. I did not debate anything and I do not intend to discuss the ZiS barrage since it is not the topic of this thread. I merely made a statement where I think you misunderstood another user to help keep the discussion productive and on track. The point I have made is that comparing zis barrage and brumbar barrage is not really helpful. If you agree with my point we can move on, if in you agree with people that think that such a comparison is helpful, feel free to explain why. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: 105mm Sherman and Brummbar should be less durable8 Jan 2022, 16:26 PM Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2022, 14:57 PMHannibal Please test before you make such claims. Brummbar needs 30 vet0 Conscripts + some damage to get vet1. But that number is quite far off of a real game, since infantry is vetted at this point. Also UKF and USF exist with much more valuable infantry. XP value for conscript is 40 XP per entity Xp value for Brumbar according https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H5z6szCfhmAAnDprmgwLzc-viZg4HPhKZshNLErvnck/edit#gid=1644472724 is 2040 so my number as to model needing to be killed should be corrected. Did you kill 30 conscript or did you also damage them because then you would be awarded XP twice for both killing and damaging. At what timing is zis barrage available and at what timing is the brumbar barrage available? Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2022, 14:57 PMHannibal He is talking about the 60 range of the barrage as he states in the same sentence. "The range buff should have come with a rof nerf on the barrage imo." He is clearly talking about an (imaginary) range buff and ROF nerf on the a barrage would make it pointless vs anything that can move since the ROF of brumbar's autofire is 8.5. Barrages are separate abilities that come with separate stats than autofire. But I am not sure what you want to debate, in your opinion should one be comparing the zis barrage with Brumbar barrage? In your opinion the zis barrage is up? My point is pretty simply comparing the Zis barrage with Brumbar barrage is does not say much for either ability. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: 105mm Sherman and Brummbar should be less durable8 Jan 2022, 14:38 PM Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2022, 14:13 PMMr Carmine Getting the brum to vet 1 is easy. That is false. The XP value of the brumbar is 2040 that translates to 51 conscripts killed. It certainty is more difficult than that getting a zis barrage and it certain becomes available later in game. Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2022, 14:13 PMMr Carmine The zis barrage at least cost the same as a nade. Unlike the bb barrage. Zis barrage cost 35, brumabar barrage cost 30. Now if in your opinion 5 mu is game breaking I would have not problem with price being increased by 5 munition. Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2022, 14:13 PMMr Carmine The brumbar already does a very good job as an assault/breakthrough unit. A abilitie vet or other wise wich has almost double the range and rof of the normal round while retaining its damage profile per round is way over the top. Even more when that unit is also very durable. The range buff should have come with a rof nerf on the barrage imo. Then its still very potent but doesnt outright wipe stuff. The 105 barrage i have not seen used or used my self in quute a while. The reason is pretty clear. Its lackluster to say the least and doctrinal. What range buff? brumbar has not received a range buff. You are entitled to believe that comparison between an ATG with secondary role of indirect fire support and T4 assault gun is helpful when it is clear it is not. I done wasting my time trying to explain obvious things to you. But at least try to get your fact straight... The zis gun is considered by top players a very good unit and part of the reason is it's barrage, which is no way UP. As I have pointed out both unit abilities are fine for the respective units. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: 105mm Sherman and Brummbar should be less durable8 Jan 2022, 11:52 AM Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2022, 11:22 AMProtos Angelus The 105mm is a doctrinal tank, mediocre at best and extremely seldom played in higher ranks because it's in a piss poor commander, probably the worst commander USF has. And in the end, the 105mm barrage is inferior to the BB, in penetration, AOE, you name it. Only not sure if the scatter is worse on the 105mm, but as far as I know, the 105mm has worse scatter which can be either a blessing or a curse, depending if you want to displace an AT gun or barrage an area for effect. So go back to the hole you crawled out of Is all that some how related to the fact that zis barrage and Brumbar barrage comparison is pointless? If you want to make a comparison of the Brumbar/105mm barrage, feel free to provide the stats or test results for such a comparison because you "being sure" is not an indication of anything. The fact that in your opinion the penetration values of the barrages of brumbar and 105 somehow impactful in such a comparison make doubt if you have a decent understanding of game mechanics. (if in your opinion it is impactful feel free to explain how). Now can we tone down (I guess stopping is out of the question) this everything axis is op and everything allies have is up rant, by using arbitrary comparisons like the one between a zis and brumbar? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: 105mm Sherman and Brummbar should be less durable8 Jan 2022, 09:06 AM Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2022, 08:27 AMMr Carmine And yet they do the same thing, their use is the excact same. Its more of a red vs green apple thing. The zis is much less mobile and much less durable and does less damage although cheaper to build. The barrage is more expensive. Its barrage was nerfed to allow time to move mg,s etc, it supposidly wiped to much or left the wt with so little hp is was suposedly basicly a wipe. The brum barrage is a garateed wipe on tw in most cases. And it does this from safety with high hp high armour and good mobility. Its cost to use are laughably low. That it requires full tech and the brum is quite a bit more expensive is no valid reason for the b buster barrage to be so cheap and so much stronger compared to simaler/same abilities such as the zis barrage. To put it in your words "its simply badly designed" Not really. Zis gun is ATG that gets the extra ability to barrage from the start of the game at the cost of grenade (so its cost is also "laughably low"). Brumbar is a heavy assault gun that it role it to provide support fire and even has to get vet 1 before barrage becomes available which is late in the game. Both abilities are fine and comparing them will is not really helpful in anyway. Funny thing is that you do not seem to complain about the 105mm barrage shemran gets.... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: 105mm Sherman and Brummbar should be less durable7 Jan 2022, 19:59 PM One should simply not compare zis barrage and Brumbar barrage. Apples and oranges... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commissar abilities bug6 Jan 2022, 21:10 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2022, 20:41 PMKatukov a sniper with the buff and a sniper without the increased dps boost are almost identical, but the buffed sniper shoots slightly faster and slowing down your sniper intentionally is completely pointless. Vipper got destroyed by a soviet reserve army -> t1 starter and complains about it as a bug PLS leave your imaginary theories/scenarios out of the bug section. In: COH2 Bugs
Thread: Commissar abilities bug6 Jan 2022, 13:14 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2022, 12:16 PMMMX Interesting. I think the 50% reduced cooldown of "Not One Step Back" could come in handy. Not sure how much of a DPS boost this equates to exactly, but probably something in the range of 20 - 25%... not bad at all, even though the additional 20% RA debuff can be absolutely lethal in many situations. Can't see any good reason to ever use "Hold The Line" on a sniper, though. Anyway, considering this interaction - unintended or not - is rather of situational usefulness I'd also say there isn't really much of an issue. If the bonus applies properly it should reduce ROF significantly by around 1.9 secs, the bonus would be close to the total CD bonus of VET 3 sniper. In: COH2 Bugs