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Jump back to quoted post7 Dec 2018, 03:35 AMJae For Jett

Rangers perform better at close range than riflemen do. That doesn't mean that riflemen aren't ideal at close range.

Grens perform better at close range than pioneers do. That doesn't mean that pioneers aren't ideal at close range.

If pioneers were shifted towards a more generalist weapon profile (like combat engineers and REs) then they would have their (close) damage nerfed to the level of combat engineers and REs (read: bad at all ranges instead of okay at close and really bad anywhere else).

IMO, pioneers and sappers are examples of engineer units done right. Their combat power is overall very low, but if they're used at the right range, then they approach the combat power of a mainline unit.

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 23:44 PMthedarkarmadillo

My point was that it's an easy mistake for someone not completely versed in history to mix up volkssturm and volksgrenadiers.

And regardless on which suffixed volks unit we are dealing with they are over performing for cost creating balancing issues.

But at any rate this is about cons. Cons vs grens has generally been the gold standard for infanty match ups, that has had to be altered because of volks which has lead to over buffed penals which has further led to the disuse of cons. A price reduction is the easiest way I can see to make cons attractive without creating a massive upset in balance. Even at 20mp cheaper than grens they would still lose when the weapon upgrades hit as they do now, so they won't be punching a over their weight by any means yet they allow instead for slightly better map control and make replacing them a lightly less damaging (keeping in mind they have 0 ways to boost performance to make up for lost vet unlike all other mainline without certain doctrines)

And again, if 220mp ppsh infantry is too effecient we can introduce them as their own t0 unit or adjust the price of the upgrade accordingly.

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 23:51 PMthedarkarmadillo

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Why should they? Pios have a scouting ability they didn't get a price increase for and their MP40s are always a threat to weapon crew at the very least. Do you really think they are only worth 10mp more than combat engies?

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 20:57 PMWiderstreit

Do you know how they calculate the DPS?

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 16:38 PMLatch

Im not saying even MORE damage im saying in the hypothetical change, it can't 1HK squads but has bonus damage VS structures, aka, the same/slightly less damage than it does now.

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 15:10 PMLatch

All arty is broken due to the sheer amount of damage it does when it hits with no immediate risk and counters requiring a specific doctrine or luck.

Make enemy retreat, arty base. It only takes the first shot to hit where the group point is and its a dead squad.

Relic seem to say one thing but do a complete opposite, they dont want cheese 1HK so remove mine killing squads, kill Demos, slow down the AVRE shoot timer, make the Sturmtiger need to actually see the units, lower KT's wipig potential but keep arty the same BS that it is.