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Perhaps partially. It's no secret that Volks and Grens are currently considered udnerwhelming in the late game. But 5m grens and STG volks are not very good units to "benchmark" in cover to cover scenarios, I'd use LMG grens if anything. 5m grens bully conscripts out of the game in mid game and shred them extremely fast when cought in the open. STG makes volks immune to close range pushes from cons very soon into the game, so again, the unit kinda nullifies cons combat performance at certain stages of the game. 7m cons don't do any of that, they just trade well in cover to cover firefight, but they don't roll over Axis infantry at any stage of the game.
LMG grenadier are not a good benchmark either since the are meant to excel at long cover to cover fights and the punch above their cost in that particular scenario.
MR conscripts can simply ourah to them and beat them.
VSL grenadier already received a nerf (well deserved) and now will perform the same in cover to cover fights vs MR conscripts in ver 4 as they do in live. |
MR was introduced with those vet bonuses in mind and was since nerfed. ...
the issue lis with the SVT upgrade...
Not really MR was completely broken when introduced even before conscripts reached vet 3.
Patch notes are clear this has not only do to with SVT conscripts but with MR conscripts as well.
I would suspect but I might be wrong that the MOD team was concern about performance of vet 3 MR conscripts vs vet 5 ST44 VG (and VSL Vet 3 grenadiers) in cover to cover fights. |
Its' relevant exactly because some seem to forget why MR was introduced in the first place.
And now that it has been introduced, and after several other buff conscripts have received over the years their superior vet bonuses where toned down. |
Then you must also remember that beta qeues were about 80 % Axis all the time and SOV had to cheese with sniper clown cars, flamer/satchel penals and ram spam to stand a chance. Conscripts were basically never built. Not exactly the most exciting times.
Is there any relevance of what the once was with the current state?
then i provide feedback to both you and the balance team...
MR isnt OP... SVT not soo sure but it may be slightly OP and if the balance team wishes to fix SVT cons they can fix it by nerfing SVTs not base conscripts...
According to the mod 7men conscript are op at Vet 3
Conscripts
Previously Conscripts received a +10% accuracy bonus at veterancy 3 due to their low stats and lack of upgrades. With the introduction of items such as Mobilize Reserves and SVTs, Conscripts no logner need such high bonuses to scale into the late game. |
well you seem to think
"Soviet have access to a numerous other infatry and units and conscripts are supposed to everything."
therefore im attacking your argument... you cant hide behind the opinions of the balance team because you yourself have made your own opinions very clear....so stop saying shit like
"This is not about what I want but what MOD team does."
because both you and the modteam are mistaken to think that way...
The provide you feeback to moderation instead of me.
Still have not answered question:
"As a terrible choice do you mean intruding the MR/SVT upgrade or deciding it was op and deciding to nerf by reducing the vet 3 bonuses?" |
Just like underlining EHP vs small arms, while pretending its not 15th-20th minute of the game where they realistically appear and tanks, grenades, mines and indirect fire are all over the place, gibbing half a squad in one shot constantly.
Any evidence that Heavy Sapper "are very bad in actual combat" or are going to continue theory crafting. |
The cheapist mainline is and are grenadiers. And they get damage reduction to aliviate the squishyness late game, why should cons get some dps at max vet and tech, when they dont have much dps cuz they lack ai upgrades?
Conscripts and grenadier have the same cost the both cost 240 rest is smoke and mirrors. |
soo you cant stop defending the terrible choices of the mod team.... because you support those terrible choices... am i correct?
As a terrible choice do you mean intruding the MR/SVT upgrade or deciding it was op and deciding to nerf by reducing the vet 3 bonuses? |
i dont... if i see elites i use obers... what does SOV have if conscripts get nerfed? nothing?
then the mod team is making terrible choices... in any case stop defending those terrible choices...
pls stop commenting
The whole reason for this thread is for people to provide their feedback and commends.
Sorry I can't do that. |
yeah instead they fight obersoldaten fallschirmjagers pgrens and stormtroopers....
I suggest you play OKW and try to fight double Bren tommies, Guards, Airborne Guards, Paras, Ranger with VG and let us know how well they do.
yes of course the soviets have penals (which suck) and doctrinal shit... if you wanna make conscripts support infantry fine make those doctrinal elites nondoc otherwise
This is not about what I want but what MOD team does.
shut it...
Pls stop comment like this. |