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Hold the Line is good on paper but in reality spending 250 muni on this ability is just terrible because the planes (which make the ability so expensive) arrive very late and if the enemy decaps territory or moves out of it the planes will never arrive which means you just spend 250 munitions on nothing.

In sort you agree with my point that the ability needs a redesign (regardless of your reasons) and that is fine by me.

(Although UKF with -20% received accuracy can defend a sector for few seconds and the ability does not trigger only 1 sector but multiple.

And cap mechanism is in line with other similar abilities so nothing special here. What is special about the ability is that it targets all enemy units in all front-line sectors with planes)

It's basically clicking the button and then hoping the enemy doesn't move for 10 seconds so the planes can be triggered. It's just too hard to pull off to make it worth it.

Not really. It choosing to active the ability when you are confident that will be able to defend at least 1 front line sector for a few seconds.

Hold the Line is garbage and has only existed to trap noobs into spending 250 munitions for a crappy ability.

First of all the ability has to be fixed as right now it doesn't even work properly most of the time.

I can not believe out of all UKF off-maps you chose this one as OP. I mean ??????

Just play the game or read the previews posts or read the patch notes.

The ability has been "fixed" (but not really since now the planes arriving are as many as there enemy units all front line sectors).

... Commanders need to be attractive and powerful to be competitive and fun.

Commanders need to be at similar power level so that all of them see some use instead of having 1-3 commanders over and over again

Fair enough (I don't agree), but that has nothing to do with the ability itself though. You specifically said the ability itself was OP, but based on performance tests, it's actually quite underwhelming.

The ability is probably inconsistent as many loiter is games I have seen it change the coarse of battles and it is stronger then the IL-2 loiter its closest equivalent.

In games have seen it change the course of battle possibly because rocket can obliterate infatry by accident.

In any case loiter planes the can protect the Super heavy vehicles in combat should not be available imo.

These abilities should be reserved for commander that do not have other powerful abilities.

I also wouldn't call the Churchill Crocodile a superheavy.

It meets my criteria and Relics for a "super heavy". Similar CP, tech requirement, cost and as Tigers/IS-2/Persings and ost importantly limited to 1.

Is it a good as Tiger or IS-2? I think not but that another point. Once Super heavies are separate from power full off maps one can balance both easier.

For instance Stuka was nerfed because it was available with Elefant and now is performance (other the smoke) it inferior to other off map of its CP and Cost when it should simply not be available in the commander.

If I remember correctly the Croc also received nerfs (HP?) which could be avoided if the rest of commander abilities where not strong.

But Tiger with stuka loiter sounds balanced

It might sound to you but it does not sound balance to me.

I have pointed out it for the last 3 years since the previous commander revamp.

But why are you going off topic and talking about an ostheer commander and ability in thread about UKF commanders.

Then one of these should be removed from Lightning War Doctrine.
We can replace Tiger with 250 or P4J.

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