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Thread: OKW Commander Revamp 20219 Mar 2021, 18:53 PM Elite Armored Doctrine CP 0 SdKfz 221(/223) Scout Car CP 4 Emergency Repairs CP 5 Panzer Commander CP 7 High Explosive Anti-Tank (HEAT) Shells CP 8 Sturmtiger General: A commander with some abilities that do not synergy very well together. Commander available one to 3 vehicles Heat round good for some vehicle not so much for other An expensive economy vehicle and ST that simply does not fit the commander. Suggestions: CP 0 SdKfz 221(/223) Scout Car Imo there simply too much request from this vehicle ending up being mediocre cost efficient in many role. I would rather see one of the following solutions: A) 223 moved to over-watch commander where it serve as Reckon anti sniper vehicles, Ostheer Opel truck now available. B) 221 removed 223 become cheaper (240? no fuel) with lower DPS but addition damage to Sniper and higher penetration to serve as counter to micro light vehicles and Sniper. Can now launch flares. Optional can now use the "Siphon" ability a timed ability allowing to steal resources from enemy sectors. Such an ability is already in game. CP 5 Panzer Commander Some of the following changes. Become passive ability affecting Puma and JT. Sight bonus reduce to +5 for PzIV/Panther/KT that can still upgrade with pintle player can toggle from pintle to commander gaining +5 vision. The barrage is too powerful for vehicles and can should be replace by mortar one and cost reduced to 60. CP 7 High Explosive Anti-Tank (HEAT) Shells The ability creates different result to vehicles with PzIV and KT getting good AI improvement from an AT ability. I would rather have it become passive adding a 10-15% penetration bonus to vehicles. or Add a deflection damage bonus Alternatively one could customize the bonus according to vehicle: Luch could get penetration Puma could get accuracy/penetration JP could get penetration PzIV penetration Panther accuracy (maybe range) KT range CP 8 Sturmtiger Move this unit Breakthrough and redesign. The animation for reloading is great and idea of the abandon interesting but can exploited. So remove the abandon mechanism (or even replace with possibility of gunner injured critical resulting to lower ROF.) Remove the reload mechanism and replace with switchable round, AP and Shaped charge. Changes to gun: Now has world pierce so that it become reliable. HE shell limited up 4 kill per squads now inflict "shell shock" critical to reducing speed and ROF to unit. Shaped charge rounds does bonus damage vehicles/structures small kill radius for infatry with no hard limit. Redesign the vehicle to be able to fight even while reloading. Greatly increase DPS of hull mg to T-34 levels or above, NahVW grenade launcher always on attacking soft targets damage reduce from 80 to 20-40. Now the vehicle can spear head attacks and cause damage even without firing main gun instead of firing and then moving back to reload. In: Lobby
Thread: New penal ptrs feels a bit much9 Mar 2021, 13:53 PM If I remember correctly that part of Relic original design. Having soviet commander divided to Shock armies/NKVD armies/Guards Armies with Shock/Penal/Guards being build from T1 accordingly. I guess it could be done as an upgrade from T1 and replace the commander abilities with something else. One option would be that these squads start with mosin a new commander ability called "small arm training" would allow the unit to upgrade to PPSH/SVT/PTRS In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW Commander Revamp 20219 Mar 2021, 13:45 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2021, 13:21 PMHannibal Might be a way to go, but passive buffs are not great design since they require no input. Switchable rounds like the Jackson ones could be useful instead, but this would just again copy mechanics from other factions when there is no need to do so. Imo if the buff are small and in line with commander design passive bonus could work. In a way some already exist like the bonus on USF armor elite for crews. For instance I would expect Ro Arty mortar pits to perform better and I would expect OKW "elite" armor vehicles to perform better. Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2021, 13:21 PMHannibal The current shells are fine in my opinion (I don't own the commander, so I can just talk from the receiving end), I just think they should not go on a JT. Could you explain how they are too good vs infantry? Do you mean because of the 30% damage boost on e.g. the P4? That should actually be fixable by target table or a modifier on the AoE damages (0,77 will return the damage value back to 1). Overall players buy them for the AT damage though, so it is a rather small issue imo. Especially since OKW has no dedicated late game AI tank. Yes you are correct, I am talking about the extra damage that effects mostly PzIV and KT increasing the AOE kill radius primarily. Imo a simply penetration buff would allow PZIV/JT to see more use vs heavily armored allied vehicles and would be enough. In: Lobby
Thread: OKW Commander Revamp 20219 Mar 2021, 12:52 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2021, 12:46 PMHannibal I think that change in particular is good and also fits better the themes of both commanders, however the JT should probably not get heat shells. I do not like AT HEAT shell because they are actually very good AI also. I would rather turn them into a passive ability that either increases the penetration values of the guns by around 10% or adding 25% deflection damage. But I have not got to that commander yet . In: Lobby
Thread: OKW Commander Revamp 20219 Mar 2021, 12:48 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2021, 12:05 PMUnit G17 infiltration tactics missing from special operations doctrine Thanks will fix soon Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2021, 12:05 PMUnit G17 As for my desired changes: Fortifications and Overwatch doctrine: allow OKW Lefh and Pak43 to reinforce and perhaps even heal their crew themselves, unlocked at around vet 1 ~ 3, while the rest of the veterancy bonuses (identical to Ostheer vet bonuses) are pushed back. OKW alone, unless deployed next to a Battlegroup HQ, has absolutely no way to reinforce lost models on these static weapons. Fortifications and Luftwaffe doctrine: flak emplacement should no longer be decrewable. Similar reason as above. Luftwaffe: make Fallschirmjaeger rely more on their stealth by lowering their effective range, slightly increasing received accuracy, but giving them sniper camoflage (lasts for a short time out of cover) instead of ambush camo (works strictly only in cover), similar to commandos, stormtroopers, partisans. Right now Falls are too similar to Obers in role. Scavenge doctrine: lower the munition requirements of howitzer barrage to fire more shells, or more precisely make these steps shorter. Right now iirc it needs about 500 spare muni to fire more shells, that's unlikely to happen in a competitive match, unless the player has a bad case of stockpiling. Or just remove this feature alltogether. In: Lobby
Thread: OKW Commander Revamp 20219 Mar 2021, 12:38 PM Breakthrough Doctrine CP 0 Breakthrough Tactics CP 0 Panzer Fussiliers CP 1 Sturm Offizier CP 12 Assault Artillery 200 MU CP 14 Jagdtiger Panzerjäger Tiger Ausf. B General: A situational commander that does not really like a Breakthrough commander. Assault artillery comes very late and JT is more of defensive vehicle than an offensive one that imo does not fit the theme. Suggestion: CP 0 Breakthrough Tactics I find this ability extremely situational since there is no cap bonus and imo it could use some change or a redesign and since one needs MU to upgrade the Fuss. Ability could now effect also kubel with a lower modifier what is ideal for decaping (with a maybe a decresse in duration or moving to CP 1) Or Becomes a passive (imo COH2 could use more passive abilities) that is scales with tech. For instance a +5% decap bonus for each truck set up CP 0 Panzer Fussiliers Unit is a mess, not good at fights early, to expensive at 295/80 compared to Penal at late game, and the AT package is situational. A redesign imo could help. Unit now becomes a scout unit/support unit, start 6 men,6 K98, at 240 MP, sight to 40/50, flare to from start, vet 1 replace with a light mortar barrage. Can upgrade with single G43 that also provide has stationary cloak and can fire a single shot (range 40-45) that can target only sniper and kill them making them the ideal OKW sniper counter. The ability could also allow the AT Fusilier to be build as a Separate unit for 300 manpower, as 5 men squad, unit start able to fuasts and can upgrade with shcrecks, Vet bonus changed to fit the role. Faust could either be an ability but firing 2 faust instead of one or the unit could toggle in equipping 2 faust (for not cost) firing a single shot each at range 40-45 (with no snare effect) and then going in CD. The changes aim to allow a clear role for this unit and the tools for better balancing. Sturm Offizier Lower pop and XP. The unit again feels situational and not much of "assault unit" since it armed with rifles and pistol... Unit start as 5 men unit with 5 MP40. Gain or upgrade with 2 ST 44 Target them cost reduce to 30. Force Retreat either greatly reduced cost 30-20 or enemy debuff removed. The ability is inferior to one available to Commissar. Assault Artillery Another strong ability in a commander with Super heavies that also comes too late for "breakthrough" commander. Redesign the ability as 6-8 CP ability replacing the heavy artillery with mortar shells (HE or Incendiary) lowering cost 100-120. CP 14 Jagdtiger Panzerjäger Tiger Ausf. B JT could imo use some change. Engine improvements upgrade feel like a weird either removed or make it give the bonuses as timed active ability. Reduce cost of 28.3kg APCBC-HE Shells to 70 Most immortally I would like to see unit move to Armor Elite doctrine and SturmTiger a pure breakthrough unit move to this commander. Then Sturm tiger could be buffed to become more reliable and have better synergy with both AT Fuss and Assault artillery. In addition JT feel far more suited for Elite armor. If the combination of resources vehicle and JT is too strong the resources vehicles could be moved scavenger where it fits better. Alternatively the ST could be moved to breakthrough, JT to over-watch replacing the Lefh. Elite armor could get Vehicle detection similar to soviet ability or hammer trucking or Ostwind or Stuka strafe (AT or AI). In: Lobby
Thread: OKW Commander Revamp 20219 Mar 2021, 10:51 AM Feel free to add correct information since I have not checked them yet In: Lobby
Thread: OKW Commander Revamp 20219 Mar 2021, 10:50 AM This thread is for changes in OKW commander Here is a guide to OKW commanders: https://community.companyofheroes.com/discussion/241789/okw-commanders#latest In: Lobby
Thread: UKF Commander Revamp 20219 Mar 2021, 10:00 AM Jump back to quoted post8 Mar 2021, 21:49 PMKatitof Or is completely useless unless there are emplacements and fighting positions everywhere, because you can decap a point before planes take effect. The decamping mechanism is inline with similar abilities "perimeter over watch" "sector artillery" that are available at CP 10-12 and do not provide bonuses to infatry. If one activates the ability without being able to defend any of the effected sectors for a few second it actually his fault. Jump back to quoted post8 Mar 2021, 21:49 PMKatitof I'll just say it this way - there is a reason it wasn't meta even for 5 seconds. Its effectiveness is on paper exclusively with practical applications being limited to team games with players having local pizzeria phone number for a rank. The reason one ability is not meta have more to do with commanders and not the abilities. The reason why the ability was not used was the requirement that for taking affect was that the sector should be both front line and be caped by the player using the ability greatly limiting the the application. After the patch it effect all front line sector that can easily be 4-5 sectors. In: Lobby
Thread: UKF Commander Revamp 20219 Mar 2021, 08:47 AM Commando Regiment CP 3 Commando Glider Insertion CP 3 Smoke Raid Operation CP 6 Assault Operation CP 8 Mortar Cover CP 12 Air Supremacy Operation General: A commander with lots of MU and the trade mark commando that now has become available to 2 more commander. Oddly 3 abilities of the commander provide some sort of reckon over enemy sectors. Suggestions: Commandos Increase the radius that commandos are detected to match other camo infantry, the current radius is very small (15?) and allow Commando to navigate late battlefield undetected. Replace light gammon with HE with a light gammon incendiary (Similar to ST). Ambush infatry should not have access to powerful HE grenades. And/or Have grenades on CD on touch down since currently they can destroy HMG before getting fired. Remove speed boost from first strike (and it is probably a left over of original design that included knives) Replace the extra grenade range similar to PG Move the vet 1 smoke grenade to UKF officer and Churchill's smoke Give any vet bonus needed to compensate (generally bring vet bonuses closer to ST) CP 3 Smoke Raid Operation Possibly replace this ability with a Mortar unit using commandos as a crew (possibly even a pack howitzer since it was used by airborne troops)? CP 6 Assault Operation Lose the reckon planes that reveal all the map or make the ability target a single front line sector providing a single plane. Possibly add a lower CD bonus for grenades for duration. CP 8 Mortar Cover Remove the flare in the area Reduce CP to 7 and cost to 100-120 In: Lobby