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Thread: Should the SU85's vision ability be nerfed/removed24 Mar 2021, 23:09 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 22:19 PMSkysTheLimit Yeah and the average gun made sense before, and it doesn't now because of the armor values it has to fight. They overbuffed it with the pen bonuses, which they recently addressed. They also reduced focus sight recently, but you still think it's OP? Su-85 main in no way average. The unit is an effective TD and thus it does not need secondary role as reckon vehicle. Vet bonus penetration/focus sight changes where minor nerf. If you want to talk generally about SU-85 and it performance I suggest you start a thread about. Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 22:19 PMSkysTheLimit It is not "superior". It has a longer max range, but in a tiny cone and it comes with significant movement penalty You can't really compare it to recon vehicles at all, they aren't locked behind t4 and don't cost 130 fuel. That matters a lot here because you're putting that investment at risk everytime you use this "superior" ability. It's not a good comparison to make at all Pls read more carefully before responding. "Focused Sight" is not the vet 1 ability of SU-85, "Tracking" is and tracking is actually better than "Infantry awareness" and "Detection mod" (available to 222/IRHT). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Should the SU85's vision ability be nerfed/removed24 Mar 2021, 21:33 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 21:21 PMMr Carmine It fits the dual role or dual use of the faction nicely. The idea behind the "dual role" the some Soviet unit had was that they would average in both roles and might had made some sense back in day when SU-85 had an average gun. Currently SU-85 has one of the best AT gun in game and it a good TD so it does not need a secondary role, especially with an reckon ability that is superior to abilities some reckon vehicles get. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Tips against Commandos24 Mar 2021, 20:28 PM The are certain unit that have increased search radius and can detect them form further away. (most of them have such an icon) Vamp44 ober are one of them. Mine reveal them. One can also reveal by damaging them with either indirect fire weapons or ballistic weapons. But it is true that the camo is simply too good. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Should the SU85's vision ability be nerfed/removed24 Mar 2021, 19:36 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 19:27 PMKatitof That is factually incorrect. 40% sight increase -IS- that great on all units that have sight. Its batshit insane on unvetted recon vehicles. Its legit map hack on vetted recon vehicles. Feel free to start a thread about scoping scopes if you want to talk about them. Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 19:27 PMKatitof Why? Because a TD should not have an ability that is a better versions of the 222's"Infantry Awareness" ability. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Should the SU85's vision ability be nerfed/removed24 Mar 2021, 19:22 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 18:15 PMMr Carmine I disagree, soviets have most stock recon tools/abilities indeed but they are not passive like spotting scopes, they effect t70 and su85 in a negative way or cost muni per timed use, unlike spotting scopes pio's or volks sight when in cover. The stock ability of SU-85 can be justified by spotting scope which is doctrinal ability and not that great unless on vetted reckon vehicle. Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 18:15 PMMr Carmine The su85 is considered the most balanced td by a lot of players, we dont need to lock a non problem behind vet. The stacking effect of focused sight and tracking is less strong because of the speed penalty focused sight gives along with it having a cooldown, wich can effect is survivability just as the speed debuff can. Su-85 has not reason to have trucking as is vet 1 ability, it does need the extra sight nor the mini map info. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW Commander Revamp 202124 Mar 2021, 19:18 PM Grand Offensive Doctrine General: A commander with some abilities that do not combine very well. Suggestions: For changes to PF/Panzer commander see Breakthrough/Elite armor Stuka Smoke Drop This ability is very cost efficient and espcailly for commander with a Heavy tank like. Imo the ability to be separated into two abilities. One just the smoke bombs without visions available to commander with other strong abilities and another with both smoke bomb and reckon planes available to weaker commanders like Luft. Tiger Tank The Command tiger idea is not really that good. Either turn this unit into a proper command vehicle with lower bases stat or scrap the whole aura approach and balance the unit without it. Infrared StG44 Package The upgrade although not bad it situational. Imo it would better if instead of upgrade it become a call in unit at CP 2-3 with 5 members armed with MP40/MP44 with grenades and interrogation that can upgrade with Vamp MP44 (with lower DPS). The reinforcement cost, time and vet bonuses should be tailor made for such a unit. To make the ability available to more that one unit, one could rename the ability to "Assault rifle training" and experiment with adding a timed ability to VG that would allow them to use their ST44 in full auto mode making the weapon better at sort range but much worse at long range. Panzer Commander The ability has very poor synergy with commander since it not available to the Tiger or JP that can be used to support the Tiger. Replace this ability with: An off map or A loiter reckon plane or a versions breakthrough tactics or Valiant assault or 105mm howitzer barrage or Infiltration tactics In: Lobby
Thread: Should the SU85's vision ability be nerfed/removed24 Mar 2021, 17:53 PM Focused vision should be changed since it stacks with tracking and Soviet already have great reckon tools. A SU-85 with focus sight/tracking has better los than IRHT... The ability should me move to vet 1, (SU-85 has little reason to have trucking to begin with) and become timed instead of toggle. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Ostheer Commander Revamp 202124 Mar 2021, 17:48 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 17:16 PMUnit G17 1 MHT with 2 consequtive barrages. That would probably only work vs very defensive opponents/inexperienced players and some luck. The barrage is very slow needs more then 20 second to fire the 4 incendiary shots and has a cool-down of another 25 second and that is plenty of time to fire back on the mortar and force to stop the barrage. When it was recently used against my garrisoned HMG it did not even force me to ungarrison. Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 17:16 PMUnit G17 In team game perspective light vehicles are generally less of a problem. Ostwind will continue to do AA while stug E can provide some minor support in late game tank combat too. Both has their merits. If some one has tech to BP2 and has gained 5 CP his probably better off building something else. Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 17:16 PMUnit G17 I'm certain no one want to see a buff to the elephant doctrine, nor Storm doctrine. We are talking about the ability and not the commanders. And it perfectly fine for weak abilities to exist to fill commander other very strong abilities. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Ostheer Commander Revamp 202124 Mar 2021, 17:03 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 16:41 PMUnit G17 I disagree, I used it yesterday and even the day before, both cases it took only 2 barrages per emplacements. The same is true for Feuerstrum leig napalm, which imo is a bit more vulnerable. You mean you used 2 MHT using 2 incendiary barrages? that do sot sound that great. One can kill emplacement while investing less fuel. Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 16:41 PMUnit G17 Stug E has heat round, it ain't much but honestly the ostwind ain't that good against late game vehicles either. Plus stug e still has longer range. Heat round is not AT weapon is a simply temporary snare with 40 damage...The problem is not late vehicles but light tanks which are Ost weakness and stug E does very little against them. Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 16:41 PMUnit G17 Many arty abilities are only good vs static targets. It is also good enough to hit infantry trying to capture a territory. Plus the delay may lead to some other unit walking into it. Point here is that overwatch has far better trucking for no apparent reason. Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 16:41 PMUnit G17 Doesn't seem to take longer to deploy than tellers with pios. The big deal about riegel is that it can completely stop a tank, pretty much guaranteeing a kill. An engine damage tank on the other hand may still retreat into safety. Also, 'Riegel is fine, the commander not much'?? One of them is the elephant doctrine which is still strong, the other one is Storm doctrine with recon + stuka bomb with lefh on top, neither seem bad. You missed my point. Riegiel mines is fine but not as commander ability as commander ability it is weak. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Ostheer Commander Revamp 202124 Mar 2021, 14:13 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 13:55 PMUnit G17 You forgot Encirclement doctrine, boooo. I disagree with several crossed out abilities. -Mortar HT has napalm rounds, it can completely shut down british emplacements. Does not actually work that good since it very inaccurate. In addition the MHT can be killed mortar pit counter fire since it a big target and will taje serious damage from it. Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 13:55 PMUnit G17 -Napalm bombing is ok too for the reason above. Again not really. The DOT damage of the ability is significantly weaker than its counter parts Soviet incendiary artillery (and Anti-Building Flame Mortar Support as far as I can remeber) Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 13:55 PMUnit G17 -Stug E is about half the price of a brummbar and two of them perform roughly the same, but with more range. They get insane firerate at vet3. The unit is not bad but in most cases one is better of with ostwind since it is useless vs vehicles. Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 13:55 PMUnit G17 -Opel blitz can work on fuel/muni points too, allowing the owning player to get earlier vehicles or use the two quite decent aircraft support abilities. Also, one of it's underused utilities is that it can allow cut off territories to continue to provide resources. In 1v1 its ok in team-games cashes are simply better. Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 13:55 PMUnit G17 -Sector arty arrives slower than perimeter overwatch, but it has a greater firerate and more precise, it server it purpose most of the times in my experience. The ability is only good vs static targets since the tracking is very slow compared to over-watch. Imo the artillery shell should be replaced by mortars and the ability become cheaper and with lower CP. Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 13:55 PMUnit G17 -Riegel mine is completely fine, just happened to use it yesterday to shut down an armored flank. Seriously, the 251 halftrack is usually must have unit in team games anyway. Not only it requires the HT that ready can plant mines (vet1) but it takes for ever to plant. M20 even get planting bonus. Rigel is fine the commander not so much, it could be bundled with something else or the mine become available to other unit also. {quote post="856932"] -Tactical advance, to my experience, is best used after mass retreats, to get back to the frontline much faster. Plus it affect team weapons too, I can see situations where an at gun would need that extra speed. -Supply medical drop has its uses too (tho I agree it was made somewhat redundant lately). The ones I agree with: -Relief Infantry -250 HT coming with infantry In: COH2 Balance