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Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Ostheer Feedback4 Apr 2021, 09:09 AM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2021, 09:05 AMKiwiBirb - yeah, good points -! Why is it that a potential Ostheer Puma - tiger stall would be problematic when OKW Puma -Tiger stall is not. The overall tech cost to unlock tiger is very similar for both factions? Difference is faction design and luck of healing. Ostheer is better at defending (better support weapons) and thus it easier to get away with delaying for Tiger. But we might be drifting a bit of topic. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - British Feedback4 Apr 2021, 09:03 AM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2021, 09:00 AMKiwiBirb Recovery sappers are a bit lame right now - not worth a commader slot just for the ability to throw smoke grenades and salvage. maybe they could be given lee enfields and the ability to build bunkers and sandbags? and then they could be added to advanced emplacements, so that advanced emplacements could build bunkers, and make advanced emplacements less one dimensional-emplacements only?. Recovery sapper come with smoke grenades/salvage/increased repair speed. They are quite a useful unit. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - USF Feedback4 Apr 2021, 09:02 AM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2021, 08:58 AMIntoTheRain Why would I need that though? The value of an area denial tool is pretty limited, and extremely hard to justify at that price point. I'd rather have just about any other Arty Barrage over it, since the chance to wipe multiple squads is more relevant (and affordable) than an expensive, narrow area denial tool. There are a million other possible late game choices for this slot, why spend time on something that isn't particularly good? because it was design for that: "240mm Artillery We have increased the number of shells while decreasing the delay between shots to make this ability more potent at area denial. Damage has been modified to prevent instant kills on infantry while retaining high damage at the edges of the shell’s AOE." The question is this designed suited for this commander? If it not it should be replaced by another ability instead of offering both areal denial and pin point accuracy. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - British Feedback4 Apr 2021, 08:59 AM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2021, 08:45 AMKronosaur0s I just saw tightrope video of UKF particularly Raid sections and Vickers K... is this a joke or what? Winning every single engagement regardless of vet and range, congrats! Engineers/vickers/and other type of infantry units no need to be used anymore! Lets not be so harsh, that is why it is preview so that can people test and fix issues. The problem is not actually the Vickers K that is basically a bad but the the combination of VK and Enflieds. The unit get superior long range fire power from Enfield at long range and VK cover everything else. That is why some weapon should not mix. It not only the weapon profile that is important to have strong and weak ranges but the whole squads profile when it uses weapon of different type. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Ostheer Feedback4 Apr 2021, 08:54 AM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2021, 08:18 AMKiwiBirb True, the frag bombs on with the other example abilities would be a bit over the top. What do you think of Replacing it with incendiary bombs? Wound keep the anti team weapon use, but greatly reduce the outright wipe power. Incendiary bombing would be a better choice for Tiger (although I am not sure the ability is correct spot, it seemed way weaker than incendiary artillery when tested. Both abilities should be weaker then current incendiary artillery because it kill ATG before they can reposition. Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2021, 08:18 AMKiwiBirb However, I don't get where you are coming from with the Puma -> Tiger stall argument. OKW can do a Puma -> Tiger stall with Grand offensive, and you dont see that dominating in competitive play. In fact, compared to Grand offensive, said lighting war is of comparable power, with G43s and Panzerfusiliers being similar, and both having tigers. Breakthrough's other abilities are also of similar power. Smoke recon (good), Panzer commanders (very good), and IR STG44 (neutral), (and stock puma); compared with reserve inf (ok), Stuka CAS (very good) and the option of a Puma (neutral). ... Direct comparison of OKW and Ostheer is not very helpful. Puma is a power for Ostheer and since Tiger does not requires the T4 building one can use the power spike to delay for the Tiger. This can end up nerfing the Puma when it is not the Puma the problem but the combo. That was the part of problem with mobile defense commander. It had access to both a non tech AI tank and no tech AT vehicle and it ended up nerfing both units (C PzIV to oblivion) when it was not the unit themselves the problem but the combo. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Ostheer Feedback4 Apr 2021, 08:17 AM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2021, 08:03 AMKiwiBirb Why though? ... Fragmentation bombing can be used to take out static targets and ATG, it should not be available to a commander with a Tiger. Loiter Stuka can be used to defend the Tiger from flaking move, it should not be available to Tiger. Puma can be used as a cheap delay so one can stockpile fuel for the Tiger. In order to make as many commander viable and increase the number of meta commander the total value of a commander abilities should be about the same. If one could place a value on an ability from 0 to 10 the total values of commander should be 25. For instance a Tiger has value of 8 out of 10 as commander ability the rest of the abilities should be 5 and bellow so that total value of abilities would be around 25. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Ostheer Feedback4 Apr 2021, 07:52 AM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2021, 07:47 AMKiwiBirb ... imo fragmentation bombing, Puma, Stuka loiter should not be available with Tiger. These abilities are too impactful and should the "selling" point of commander with not access to heavy vehicles. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - USF Feedback4 Apr 2021, 07:45 AM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2021, 07:24 AMMMX the 240mm barrage may not be a good offensive ability, but i think it works great as a defensive tool for area denial. a cost reduction may be justified, but otherwise i think it is fine as is. Compare it Gustav at 200 mu, it get 4 more shots.... One need to be careful with off map especially for faction with stock recon sweeps. I personally would rather see the TOT (or 155) move to this commander. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: soviets need forward HQ or something4 Apr 2021, 06:47 AM Try the rally point form airborne commander In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Late game performances of Volksgrenadiers and veterancy3 Apr 2021, 19:53 PM Conscripts get 1.4 accuracy at vet 2 not vet 3. They also get -8% RA at vet 1 In: COH2 Balance