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Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - British Feedback13 Apr 2021, 14:49 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2021, 14:43 PMelchino7 We will have to disagree. Perception changes completely depending on how you present the data. I still think grouping the average pick across all modes is bad. If anything, the 4v4 pickrates shows the symptoms (commander) not the cause (artillery). The analysis is whole different ballgame my point is different. You are calculating an average on MA 15.79 because you put different weight on each game mode. If you average the percentage instead you get: 15.79+17.79+~~20.33+22.13=76.04/4 = 19.01~~ (edited) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - British Feedback13 Apr 2021, 14:30 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2021, 14:10 PMelchino7 ... That is another way doing it but still one read the same things RA MA are poplar way above average while AE and TS way bellow. In addition your way puts different weight on different modes since 1v1 have less games on average. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - British Feedback13 Apr 2021, 13:13 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2021, 13:04 PMelchino7 Sigh let's clarify this. -Vipper's list makes a simplistic point across the board which is easy to visualize. -Though the score can be misleading because it's only based on absolute positioning on popularity and not based on amount of times put in the loadout by comparison. For ex: if a sample of A, B, C has a value of 10/5/3 for 1 mode and 50/10/3 for another, you can argue case 1 is not problematic at all compared to the 2nd case, although they would score in the same way. -I wouldn't group modes together. Too much difference between 1v1 and 4v4. I think at most you can only group 3v3/4v4 Imo it depend what one is looking for and each set of stat has it merits. For instance from this number I would argue that scores above 8 are good indication that commander is too good across all modes while number below 2 that the commander is simply not good enough. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - USF Feedback13 Apr 2021, 13:05 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2021, 12:39 PMMMX not sure if it's a good idea to conflate 1v1 and teamgame data like this, at least without correcting for the fact that you have 3x the amount of data for 2v2 and higher. this will skew the results quite a bit as commander pickrates vary a lot between solo and team modes, but not so much between 2v2, 3v3 and 4v4. the somewhat arbitrary numbers chosen to scale your popularity ratings are also a bit confusing. maybe you should consider normalizing these to a percentage or x out of 10 to make it easier to interpret. just some food for thought I am pretty sure that one can process this stat better but I use the term "popularity" quite loosely because of lack of better word. The stat come from commander in the load out and not what has been actually picked so they are not very safe to determined which commander is used the most. On the other hand imo they can be used to make some estimations. For instance: the fact the rifle company score so low across all modes is an indication that it needs more changes that just the Easy8. the fact that Urban score much better than Tactical indicated that the commander has too many advantage across all mode. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Ostheer Feedback13 Apr 2021, 12:38 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2021, 12:10 PMSmartie It's way too early for this kind of prediction imo. We jsut have seen the 1.1 notes And I don't think That SR will be played less. Yes, the Tiger Comes out earlier but a lot of players choose this commander because of the P4J, Ace is Always the cherry on cake. And the MOB was buffed. And I'm Pretty optimistic that Jaeger Armor will be picked less in the future simply because OST will have much more strong commanders. That being said I agree that Mobile Defense / German Mechanized and Osttruppen still need some work. I am not so sure about SR popularity rest on PzIV J, since Elite also is very popular and does not have PzIV J. Actually Elite score better in popularity across modes although the number are close so the two commander seem to be about equal. Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2021, 11:42 AMVipper This is polarity (score in load out)of Ostheer across all mode: (each commander get a score according to how popular they are in each mod the number are added and then dived by 4) ... Elite Troops Doctrine 18 .... Strategic Reserves Doctrine 16.5 .... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback13 Apr 2021, 12:31 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2021, 12:22 PMCrecer13 Leave the Shock Troops where they are. Shock troops are the core of the Soviet infantry in this game unless you want to suffer. From first glance Assault guards are better than shock troops once vetted. They can fight very well at mid range and are probably the most cost efficient AT unit. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - USF Feedback13 Apr 2021, 11:57 AM Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2021, 11:25 AMHannibal Yes, but what is "how popular"? I can't pick a commander 8 times, nor can I have it in my loadout 8 times, nor can this happen in any team game. What exactly does a value of "8" mean? Judging by your answer the amount of available commander plays a role. But how are different modes weighted? Equally, by games or by players? And where do you take the data from (I assume the new coh2stats.com site)? I think it would make more sense to show the X-fold change of commanders picked/in loadout over random pick. This would also equalize all values over all factions. quite simply using the data from "https://coh2stats.com/stats/month/1614556800/1v1/soviet"; each commander get a score according to how often it appears on the load out in each mode. Since there 9 USF commander in 1vs1 Airborne company would have a score of 9 while armor company a score 1. Now one can add the score from each mode and then divide by 4 and see how popular a commander is across all modes. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback13 Apr 2021, 11:52 AM popularity across modes (each commander receives a rating according to how often it appear in each mode from 1 to 22 those numbers are added across the 4 modes and then get divided by 4) Guards Motor Coordination Tactics 21.5 Shock Rifle Frontline Tactics 20 Counterattack Tactics 18.5 Airborne Troops Tactics 17.75 Mechanized Support Tactics 17.25 Urban Defense Tactics 17 Soviet Combined Arms Army 16 Guard Rifle Combined Arms Tactics 15.75 Soviet Shock Army 13.5 Armored Assault Tactics 13 Soviet Industry Tactics 12 NKVD Disruption Tactics 10.75 Defensive Tactics 10.5 Terror Tactics 10 Lend Lease Tactics 8.25 Shock Motor Heavy Tactics 8.25 Tank Hunter Tactics 7 Advanced Warfare Tactics 5 Partisan Tactics 4.5 Anti-Infantry Tactics 3.25 Soviet Reserve Army 2 Conscript Support Tactics 1.25 edited to include some epxlantions In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - USF Feedback13 Apr 2021, 11:16 AM Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2021, 11:07 AMHannibal What do these values mean? How popular a commander is in load outs across the 4 modes divided by 4. Ubran for instance score near 9 (highest possible score for USF) which means it a top pick from 1vs1 to 4vs4 on the other Rifle company scores near 1 (lowest possible score) meaning it low pick regardless of mode. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - OKW Feedback13 Apr 2021, 11:13 AM popularity across all modes Overwatch Doctrine 8 Breakthrough Doctrine 7 Special Operations Doctrine 6.75 Elite Armored Doctrine 6.25 Luftwaffe Ground Forces Doctrine 4.75 Feuersturm Doctrine 4.25 Grand Offensive Doctrine 4.25 Fortifications Doctrine 2.25 Scavenge Doctrine 1.5 Note how much lower Fort D score compared to Over an dhow low Scavenger scores even with faster Ostwind In: COH2 Balance