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Just tested this, you are right. A single Osttruppen model has a DPS of around 1 DPS (took ~80 seconds to kill a Partisan model) when out of cover and 3.3 when in cover (~24 sec per model).

I am wondering though why people consider Osttruppen bad especially in team games and late game. Those modes especially have a lot of cover due to artillery. And Osttruppen are one of the most MP efficient squads possible.

Is it really "only" the lack of a grenade?

It the target size, 0.89 even at vet 3.

One can simply not rebuilt them because they get slaughter at late game.

The lmg is simply not a good upgrade them and currently they are not that good for crewing support weapons

It would be nice if the commander could get a unique ability that justified the name like some sort of "war speed" or "combines arms" that would especially designed for soviet.

Why though? If you wanted to compare the KV-1 and T-34/85, or KV-2 and IS-2 then you'd go ahead and compare these two units, not the commanders they're in, wouldn't you?

Depends. The problem here is that this mentality leads to power creep. For instance people where arguing that KV-1 need a buff because it a worse option than T-34/85 and the end result want KV-1 ending up being being OP and having to be nerfed.

Also, both the B-4 and ML-20 may do 'the same thing' aka lobbing explosive shells at the enemy, yet they are very much different from each other in many ways... in what way does looking at the commanders they come in help to analyze these differences?

No matter how they deliver their paylaod if the end result is similar a player will choose the commander and not the weapon.

Either these weapons will have similar use and the choice will be between the commander and not the weapon or these weapon will be design to do/offer different things and the choice will be more about play-style/map/personal preference.

Generally speaking B-4 is a hard unit to balance because big explosions have wipe potential which is simply too strong in game of unit preservation.

There many different solution for design of the B4:
Could be desinged cheap/less pop howizter more suitable for 1vs1
could be designed as AT oriented gun
Could be hard cap kills so that it would offer big kills but not wipes
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Could be Ml20 close with different way of delivering payload but imo not sure this the best route take.

I am not why ML-20 is considered the base for B-4 comparison.

Both unit are doctrinal and the rest of commander abilities also play a part in decision which commander to choose.

One could compared the "Guard Rifle Combined Arms Tactics" and the "Counterattack Tactics" because the both have KV-1 and artillery piece and currently "Guard Rifle Combined Arms Tactics" seem to on top.

But if one changes the combination there would be less reason to compare the two artillery Pieces.

One could make these guns to similar and comparable or could give different role for each one.

Are you implying that Soviets should have a stronger late-game? Or are you admitting that it's fine that they have a weak late-game and are heavily reliant entirely on Commanders to survive?

This is commander updated and any problem Soviet faction might or might not have late are irrelevant. The point that there much better commander out that bring more to the table.

That job is currently to ambush enemy units. They are short range and have too low a model count and DPS to function as an assault unit, so all they can do is rely on ambushes.

And they can do that just fine, place a mine use a grenade and they will beat the majority of enemy unit from an ambush especially once they get first strike bonuses.

I'm not sure why you bring up Commandos, in an ambush scenario they would certainly beat unsupported Panzergrenadiers.

I did not bring up commandos I brought infiltration commandos that spawn with 3 entities are much more expensive and are not that more cost efficient. They only start to work after the return to base and reinforce.

Stormtroopers are even better, with their MP 40's (only comparable to Thompson in close range) and tactical advance ability, they can beat anything short of Shock Troops.

Do ST cost 210? do they spawn with SMG? are they CP1? Do they have a pop of 4.

As for the DPS of ST it similar to that of commandos and commandos are actually stronger than ST because they can with an extra entity and HE grenade.

Now if you are suggesting that Partisan should become a ST clone with identical you might actually be disappointed and I doubt that they would be able to carry the commander.

If you have an actual suggestion feel free to provide because this start to feel like you are arguing for the sake of arguing.