Profile of Vipper

Avatar Area

Offline Unknown SteamID unknown
Posts: 13496 | Subs: 1

General Information


Thread: Infantry combat9 Jun 2021, 08:14 AM Jump back to quoted post8 Jun 2021, 23:42 PMdonofsandiego You're listing matchups between two different units and using that as an example that TTK has been decreased. No. That's an example of timings being made quicker. Just because a Sherman comes out faster does not mean that it performs better against a 222 than if it had come out later. That's not changing the TTK, that's changing the timing. Your argument is that timing is too much faster, not that TTK has been decreased. You where probably not around when Relic made Shock and Guards CP 1 and completely broke infatry combat since these powerful unit walked over ostheer infatry that did not have weapon upgrades or vet. If you are talking about TTK as theoretical value that it is actually quite pointless in the debate as a stat. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Decrease wire build time8 Jun 2021, 15:45 PM Imo increasing the time to build tank traps and change them to actually work as tank traps is a more pressing issue. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Infantry combat7 Jun 2021, 17:50 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 17:36 PMSander93 Raw TTK is raw TTK. Or do you also want to compare vet 3 units to fresh vet 0 replacements? Not to mention the fact that their new timing is only relevant for a short window, up until their foes reach the specific vet or upgrade level these foes had at their old timing, after which the old TTK values kick in again because those never changed. It makes no sense including timing into a TTK comparison. Timing of a unit has to do with their efficiency. It's irrelevant when comparing raw TTK, and there would be way too many variables anyway if you'd include it. On the contrary TTK has everything to do with timing. An LMG-42 or BAR available from at minute 0 would completely changes small arm fights and TTK. It like saying that TTK for 5 minute Sherman facing 222 and minute 15 Sherman facing PzIV is the same... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Infantry combat7 Jun 2021, 17:26 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 16:51 PMSander93 SVTs and Volks STG changes were over 4 years ago. I said the past 2-3 years. You're listing the handful of tweaks that I specifically mentioned. These tweaks are minor anyway, we're talking about 1-2 DPS increases at specific ranges here. Earlier PG/Obers have nothing to do with the raw TTK. And there have also been plenty of nerfs to DPS and buffs to durability of other units. So the fact that Obers and PG face infatry of lower vet with lower vet bonuses has not to do with how fast they can kill those infantries? seriously? The fact is that stronger units/weapon have become available earlier, are cheaper to buy/reiforce and that does effect TTK because unit have bigger target size. Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 16:51 PMSander93 There has been no global TTK increase, period. The majority of weapons/units have not been touched (in terms of noticeable TTK increases) over the past 2-3 years. Unlike Crecer claimed to "have noticed over the past few patches". In fact I'd ague that in general the TTK has gone down a bit, because many high RNG weapon profiles have been replaced with more predictable versions. I have never said that I agree with claim that "have noticed over the past few patches" and I actually I do not. The power creep has been going but it is not something that happened recently. What I have said is that increasing lethality makes the game more arcade not less. So pls if you want to respond to Cracer's claim, I suggest you quote him and not me. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Infantry combat7 Jun 2021, 16:21 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 15:44 PMSander93 Hyperbole much? Infantry fights do not last mere seconds. We are talking about what happen when one increases lethality and that is exactly what happens. Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 15:44 PMSander93 Of course there is a reason to plan attacks carefully if your infantry won't survive for too long outside of cover. It makes flanking, moving from cover to cover, covering fire, using smoke or other abilities, etc. mandatory rather than just charging straight in. That is what makes the game tactical. Not if they are going to die while moving to cover. This exactly what was happening while trying to attack IS section in cover. They would drop an enemy model on approach and the fight would be over before it began. Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 15:44 PMSander93 CoH2 already has that middle ground. Infantry fights generally last long enough to reward cover and still allow for proper assaults, while punishing bad positioning or just getting caught out of position. And not because squads out of cover get melted in seconds, but because they'll usually drop one or two models before recovering so that they can no longer win that fight. Not really it was in a middle ground when Relic left the game but the lethality of units has been increased and timing of powerful has become earlier. I sort there has been a power creep. There are many cases where one can kill full HP squads even when they retreat at first sight. Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 15:44 PMSander93 Absolutely nothing changed in infantry TTK over the past 2-3 years, except for a handful of specific units that had their DPS or durability individually tweaked slightly. Are you serious? Do you want me to make a list of how many buffs infatry weapon have received? How about doubling the DPS of SVT? How about giving ST44 to VGs? How about buffing the DPS of Assault grenadier MP40? How about buffing PPsh? How about buffing G43? How about making PG/Ober available earlier? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Infantry combat7 Jun 2021, 15:29 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 15:23 PMHannibal As per usual, there is a sweet spot. TTK must be short enough to be punished for mistakes before you can react, while being long enough to even react at all. Games that have very short TTKs are usually designed with dispensable units (like Supreme Commander and the AoE series), which is obviously not the case for Coh2. Still, the whole cover and retreat system as well as the scale of the game circle around punishing bad unit positioning on a micro level. If you keep increasing the TTK you will almost remove some of CoH2's core mechanics at some point. Exactly. In other game the "strategy" of the game has more do with economy management and less with fights where the bigger blob wins. COH2 is more about fight and less about economy. Relic spend years in finding the "sweet spot" for infatry fights. For some unknown reason patch after patch, the lethality of units is being increased while more powerful unit become available earlier resulting in continues power creep. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Infantry combat7 Jun 2021, 15:16 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 14:59 PMSander93 Ah yes, nothing more strategic than heavy cover versus heavy cover fights lasting up to literal minutes or infantry charging over open ground and barely taking any damage. I was responding to argument that lower lethality makes the game more arcade. In what you describe still the player with superior position or move would have a better chance of wining. Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 14:59 PMSander93 It is not the other way around, fast TTK forces people to carefully plan their manoeuvres and positioning to either maximise the use of cover or to minimalize the damage on approach. If TTK was low, you could just blob and straight up overrun everything. There is very little reason plan anything carefully if the fight is going to last second since micro becomes more important that than macro and even the most carefully plant attack can fail due to a split second event. In addition the chance of coming back from even the slightest disadvantage are lower. Now between fights that last minutes and unit that disappear in second there is middle ground. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Infantry combat7 Jun 2021, 14:49 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 14:19 PMKieselberg IMo it is the opposite. I remember times, when a mortar could wipe whole squads with one shell. Over time coh2 became more arcady and less deadly. Actually it is the other way round. The more deadly the weapon less time one has to react and use cover/other advantage so the game becomes more arcade and less strategic. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Decrease wire build time7 Jun 2021, 11:59 AM Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 11:55 AMHannibal ... If I am not mistaken you can't cut the OKW wire at all. The "normal" wire still takes too long in the late game to be a good choice over all other stuff that pioneers need to do. So at least with that as a reference, they are slow to build. You can. The main difference is that it can not be crushed by light In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Decrease wire build time7 Jun 2021, 11:43 AM The only wire I find slow to build it the OWK reinforced wire which probably takes more time to build than to cut. In: COH2 Balance