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Thread: Is OKW dead? what's your opinion? 14 Mar 2018, 12:25 PM Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2018, 11:48 AMJohnSmith Sigh, we're back at this senseless bickering again. This could have been easily avoided by you not taking sentences out of their context and paragraph to quote a different subject. I disagree with that practice. My post includes your opinion as part of a constructive and friendly reply. However, it appears to me that you are taking one sentence out of it without its respective context to go on a topic's tangent. On Topic: I'm glad that you think that it may be fact that yet another veterancy overhaul is needed, however I strongly believe, through experience, and in agreement with others in this thread, that there are other smaller issues at hand (as explained above, SturmPios, Obers, and Raketen/Puppchen) that would benefit OKW's general balance. You are actually bickering I am not. I am actually clarifying my position since you seem to have trouble understanding. On Topic: The veterancy overhaul is large issue than simply OKW but it also benefit OKW. It is also far more important and urgent. There is little point in re-balancing unit and then have to re-balance them again when their veterancy issues are fixed. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Is OKW dead? what's your opinion? 14 Mar 2018, 11:47 AM Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2018, 11:45 AMJohnSmith I've written a lot more than just that single sentence! I suggest to read the whole paragraph instead of picking out one sentence out of context. I suggest you read and understand what I write before responding. My post clearly point out that that vet system is NOT brought in line and it needs an overhaul. Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2018, 09:51 AMVipper The veterancy system is very far from being in line. ... A complete vet system overhaul is long overdue. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Is OKW dead? what's your opinion? 14 Mar 2018, 11:44 AM Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2018, 11:18 AMJohnSmith No, it appears you are attempting to push your opinion into a fact. How did you conclude that one unit's veterancy level is better than another without looking at veterancy in a void? Of course it'll be fact if you only consider and arbitrarily hand-pick certain aspects. You should accept that the way you describe your approach is subjective. Furthermore, it is not even relevant to the thread that conscripts may have a better end game veterancy than some OKW units. Calling for an overhaul is easy, but obtaining and setting the raw data is the tricky bit. If you want a fact; the game's balance is more than just perfect symmetry based on statistical analysis of an units values. The most recent overhaul was achieved through the constant player feedback loop of the winter balance patch - this helped the game to be more fun than it was before, despite the few hick-ups (e.g. in this case, some OKW features). Let's move to other subjects than arguing fact/opinion. There are other problems at hand. In either case, the problem with OKW is not its recent veterancy overhaul. From experience, I believe it is Sturmpios being needed for everything, Obers not being that great at their job, and the Raketen heavily relying on too many random variables outside of player control (the unit is the most wonky AT there is). The need of veterancy system overhaul is once more a fact and not an opinion. (edited at request of poster, since he felt misrepresented) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Is OKW dead? what's your opinion? 14 Mar 2018, 11:08 AM Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2018, 10:36 AMJohnSmith That's largely subjective, you can't compare the veterancy bonuses of conscripts and VGs in a void without considering the rest of the game. There will be countless games where VGs will obtain VET 4-5 easily, whereas conscripts VET3 conscripts will remain an uncommon sight. If a SOV player get their conscripts to VET3, I don't see any problems with them being rewarded with stronger bonii. Actually it is not subjective it is a fact. The changes did not bring the system in line they simply removed vet 4 and vet 5 combat bonuses and moved utility bonuses to vet 4 and vet 5. The veterancy system is not there to change the relative balance of units unless dictated by faction (which was part of OKW faction design) or specific unit design. There is little reason for conscripts to have better vet bonuses than VG or gain combat bonuses before grenadiers or for Penal to have some of the best vet bonuses in the game or for SU-76 to have such a low XP value or for M36 to have the same XP value although now being more expensive/effective. My point is and remains that veterancy systems needs a complete overhaul that would include new XP values according to the new prices, new vet abilities and new vet bonuses custom made for each units role. And it is long overdue. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Is OKW dead? what's your opinion? 14 Mar 2018, 09:51 AM Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2018, 23:40 PMGbpirate ..Now that the veterancy has been mostly brought in line, perhaps it would be best to change the 5-level veterancy to a 3-level. .. The veterancy system is very far from being in line. OKW veterancy was not overhauled it was simply nerfed by removing combat bonuses from vet 4 and vet 5 leaving many OKW units with less vet bonuses at vet 3 than the counterparts at vet 3 (and gaining mostly utility for 4 and 5). For instance conscripts have better vet bonuses than VG and Penal have better vet bonuses than PF. In addition although many units where re-balanced according to a new price most of them did not get a new XP value that translates to many unit are now vetting faster than they should. Finally although many unit had their vet bonuses and abilities adapted Ostheer units remain stuck with the same bonuses and abilities for around 4 years now and having trouble copying with the other factions. A complete vet system overhaul is long overdue. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: German Armour too Expensive13 Mar 2018, 22:02 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2018, 20:37 PMFelinewolfie ... - THAT I didn't know about. I'd heard the overall DPS had decreased (Less dmg AND less ROF, but higher pen)... Since some people are not very accurate in their descriptions and tend to create misunderstandings I would advice you check things for yourself. This are the patch notes about the m36 that can be find here: "M36 Jackson The M36 is having its damage modified to be more reliable against tanks, including heavies, but less potent in terms of burst damage against lower health vehicles. Cost from 360/125 to 400/140 Damage from 200 to 160 Reload from 5.2/5.8 to 4.375/4.975; does not affect HVAP HVAP damage decreased from 240 to 200 HVAP penetration from 300/250/220 to 300/280/250 Penetration from 240/220/200 to 260/240/220 Health from 480 to 640 Veterancy 3 reload bonus from 30% to 15%" https://community.companyofheroes.com/discussion/67/coh-2-changelog#latest Overall the M36 is more expensive and better, after the patch. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: German Armour too Expensive13 Mar 2018, 17:45 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2018, 16:25 PMFelinewolfie ... Wittmann's fate reflected that new reality: ... then lets not play this game at all, because in reality allies won the war and thus they should always win in the game also. Reality "arguments", have very little place in game forum, immersion is great if it can achieved but not on expense of balance. Pls try to avoid them. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: German Armour too Expensive13 Mar 2018, 17:38 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2018, 16:39 PMFelinewolfie ... Jackson : Went from 125 fuel to 140 fuel. Dmg from 240? to 160. ROF down, Pen UP. Gained some health, however. In my book, it costs more and does less. ... Damage was 200 and went down to 160 for normal shots and from 240 to 200 to HVAP. That has limited impact since a medium tank will still die to 4 shot and for Panther one will still have to use HVAP that still do 200 and kill the Panther in 4 shots. The claim about ROF is actually false, ROF was increased since reload was decreased by almost 1 second. Penetration was also increased and HP. In other words the M36 kill mediums tanks faster and has more HP. Even vs highly armor vehicles its probably better since the faster fire and penetration probably overweight the damage. So I am not really sure on what basis you formed your opinion that it now "costs more and does less" In: COH2 Balance
Thread: German Armour too Expensive13 Mar 2018, 16:09 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2018, 15:58 PMKatitof Then simply do not get them. Meta of rushing for heaviest armor possible is dead. Time for axis players to accept that fact, move on and remind themselves that there are units before P5, P6 and KT. That does not work either because all allied TDs are cost efficient vs PzIV and all allied factions have access to cheap AT weapon in durable infantry. The solution lies in balancing "super heavies" tanks and the rest of vehicles separately. That can be done by a numbers of way. For instance, like greatly increasing the TS of "super heavies" and have specially munition against with high penetration low accuracy. In the end of the day if Relic is incapably of balancing the "super heavies" they should impose what even restrictions they see fit or even completely remove and make sure the balance the rest of the unit in logical manner. Not getting Panther or Tiger is not a solution either, because its the only vehicle with enough penetration to deal with allied premiums and above. Especially for Ostheer armor is their way to start pushing and currently it fails miserably. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: German Armour too Expensive13 Mar 2018, 15:50 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2018, 15:41 PMKatitof If you want to have extremely high armor value axis tanks in game, you need to have highly efficient allied TDs to counter them. Sorry, can't have one without the other. And there is little point in paying more to get a vehicle with high armor if that armor does not actually have an impact. Especially since ostheer armor is supposed to be used for pushing since the infantry is defensively oriented. In: COH2 Balance