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Thread: The tech cost for LMG, rifle-grenades and bundle grenades. 17 Mar 2018, 12:59 PM Lets try to get at least somethings straight here: I have not made any theories. All theories come from user katitof, like the one claiming that hammer and Anvil is not a tech or the one claiming bundle grenades do not have an actual cost. Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2018, 11:33 AMKatitof Vast majority of the stuff you mentioned ARE upgrades, even upgrades that prevent you from getting alternatives. Anvil and hammer ARE exclusive upgrade bundles to UKF T3, NOT a tech. Mortar pit and 17 pounder are no different then any other unit you get access to with tech. Jump back to quoted post16 Mar 2018, 17:25 PMKatitof Jump back to quoted post16 Mar 2018, 17:17 PMVipper Pls do not use the quote button if what you are going to write is totally irrelevant to what you are quoting. The point remains BP 1 research is required for access to bundle grenades. BP1 is a way to set the timing of them, not an actual cost of getting them as that is not a separate upgrade, but a regular tech progression. I feel the need to repeat it, because I do not have the feeling that you're capable of comprehending that after mentioning it only once. You seem to be stuck in a misplaced conviction that ost tech is anymore expensive then other factions tech due to upgrades that are side upgrades for others being rolled into it - that is frankly, not true. I have simply pointed that fact the bundle grenades need BP1. I have also pointed out in this thread that, if one wants access to bundle grenades one has to invest to tech. Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2018, 11:33 AMKatitof You are trying waaaaaay to hard to prove a point that does not exist there, just to perceive yourself as correct. Guess what, you are not. User katitof here seem to be talking to a mirror. Jump back to quoted post16 Mar 2018, 11:57 AMMr Carmine You still have to take into account what the tech gives you. Allies just get specific abilities or weapons for specific units. You say you will need to tech for it regardless if you use all it unlocks. The fact remains that ost and okw tech unlock more then allied regular tech. Like tech structures new ablilities upgrades and units. You cannot simply add the total price and say, ha grens and volks are more expensive fuel wise while half of the tech costs grant other things then upgrades and abilities. Unlike allied side tech. I have also answered this claim that Ostheer unlocks more things and demonstrated how UKF tech unlocks more things. I leave insults, theory crafting and the obsession to be proven right to user Katitof. In: Lobby
Thread: The benefits of reintroducing 221 scout car. 17 Mar 2018, 12:18 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2018, 11:51 AMLago As I understood it the Scout Car used to work like the COH 1 Puma: it started out as an AI vehicle with an MG and you could sidegrade it into an AT vehicle with an autocannon. At some point they ditched the 221 and made the 222 do both. With the current 222 filling the role of both the old 221 and 222 I don't see what the purpose of the 221 would be. Better to just make the 222 more capable at sniper hunting. Before the change the 221 costed 210/15 and the 222/12/90 after the changes it costed 230/20. So it was an actual buff. Since then the 222 has been buffed considerably and had its cost increased to 250/30 making the 221 more attractive cheaper option. By adding the 221 at its original cost and allowing earlier access one gets a soft counter vs allied light cars and a cheaper vehicle to risk chasing enemy sniper inside the enemy base. Sacrificing a 222 to kill a sniper is not a good choice from an economical point of view. In addition it open the way for the 222 to re-balanced by gaining more HP or armor and to have its cost better reflect its value. The 222 does not have to be an upgrade of 221, they can simply be different vehicles as they where in COH1. In: Lobby
Thread: The tech cost for LMG, rifle-grenades and bundle grenades. 17 Mar 2018, 12:09 PM If one wants to argue semantic in this thread using his own terms as he see fit, I would advice him to define those terms his using so others can follow his arguments. Unless someone simply likes to troll all the time. In: Lobby
Thread: pzgren should be wehr's dedicated tank hunters17 Mar 2018, 10:44 AM I would rather remove PTRS from Penal, have PG spawn with 2 STG44 + 2 K98 lower cost to 300 and allow 1+1 shreck upgrade or 2 STG44 In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The tech cost for LMG, rifle-grenades and bundle grenades. 17 Mar 2018, 10:27 AM One can choose to call the things that come with Ostheer tech as "free" but then one has to also call the things that come to other faction with tech also as "free". On could claim that the cost of Ostheer teching is divided to the things it unlocks. What one can not claim is that bundle grenades do not have an actual cost, if one wants access to bundle grenades one has to invest to tech and thus bundle grenades have an actual tech cost. The claim that Otheer get more things with tech unlock is also inaccurate. For instance UKF get more things unlocked with their tech like: Pyrotechnics (1 25p) is unlocked with PCP Medical supplies is unlocked with PCP Mortar pit is unlocked with PCP Wasp is unlocked with PCP Second 25p is unlocked with CCP FRP is unlocked with CCP 17P is unlocked with CCP Gammon bomb is unlocked with Hammer Emergency war speed is unlocked with Hammer Track vehicle is unlocked with Hammer Heavy engineers is unlocked with anvil Airbust shell is unlocked with anvil Advance warning is unlocked with anvil (edited some words since some people seem to have trouble understanding them) In: Lobby
Thread: The tech cost for LMG, rifle-grenades and bundle grenades. 16 Mar 2018, 17:50 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Mar 2018, 17:46 PMJohnSmith I honestly don't get this topic? I think you'd be better served by looking up the information on the guides: https://www.coh2.org/guides/categories Or requesting an update on them, if the information is wrong. Well if do not get it I can not help you. That for visiting thou. Bye bye now In: Lobby
Thread: The tech cost for LMG, rifle-grenades and bundle grenades. 16 Mar 2018, 17:42 PM The aim of this thread is to clarify so issues regarding Ostheer tech a subject that come up in other threads. Contrary to what some people claim Ostheer Lmg, P.Faust, Bundles grenades and Rifle grenades have an actual tech cost since a player needs to invest their resources in order gain access to these items. The requirement are: P. Faust the existence of T1 or T2 building LMG 42 Grenadiers research BP1 Osttruppen research of BP3 Bundle grenades Research BP1 Model 24 stielgranate grenade assault Research BP1 Rifle-grenades Research BP1 (edited to add more information for the purpose of this thread.) In: Lobby
Thread: What's OP? What's UP?16 Mar 2018, 17:17 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Mar 2018, 17:05 PMKatitof BP1 is not a side tech. Just like penal PTRS are not. Its regular tech for ost, which is not any more expensive then any other factions tech without side upgrades. Pls do not use the quote button if what you are going to write is totally irrelevant to what you are quoting. The point remains BP 1 research is required for access to bundle grenades. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What's OP? What's UP?16 Mar 2018, 17:01 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Mar 2018, 16:42 PMMr Carmine Bundles dont require extra tech neither do shrecks. Its all readely available for a muni price just like penal ptrs. That information is incorrect. Bundle grenades require BP 1 research to unlock. PTRS and shrecks do not have any requirement. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The benefits of reintroducing 221 scout car. 16 Mar 2018, 16:51 PM The 221 was removed from the because Wehrmacht needed a light vehicles with more punch and because the auto cannon upgrade was no brainier. That created a trend to spam the 222 in resulted in further increasing the cost of 222. Since now 222 is more expensive and durable vehicle one could reintroduce the 221 as an early counter sniper and soft counter to cars (WC,M3A1,WC51). That would also allow both units to be better balanced since their will be more option available. The 222 can remain as vehicle more oriented as hard counter to armored cars and soft counter to light tanks. One could make the 2 separate vehicles or an upgrade costing manpower/fuel. As for timing 221 could be placed in T0-T1 requiring BP1 research and 222 could require BP2 research. The auto cannon could also be changed to start using accuracy and not AOE similar to Luch and Centaur. In: Lobby