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Ah, my mistake. There is a very casual counter to blobs though, which is to make one mg and also blob. A mortar instead of an mg also works.

I don't think there's any way a new system will be added to the game, that's why I'm providing solutions here.

There is a way if only the community balance team would listen.

I'd implement this myself but sadly I don't have the time anymore, nor do I have their modding experience and knowledge, I haven't touched the tools in months and whatever mods I had developed are probably for the scrap yard anyhow because the updates probably broke their majority so wasting time on updating them would basically be the same as starting from the beginning for which again, I have no time.

You only need an mg and a mortar where the blob is. As to your other point, the maps are asymmetric so there's no need to take 50 50 fights

Maps may be asymmetric but most maps are open enough to have multiple flanking routes from which blobs can annihilate you.

Plus ferwinter's other 2 points are very much valid, the first being about scouting out the enemy's blob and the second being that if the enemy is blobbing hard enough it will eventually overrun your MG even if it has mortar support due to the amount of firepower.

So yes, I don't believe having an MG and a mortar on standby all of the time to fight blobs is effective or practical for MOST people, especially casuals.

Lots of things could happen and do happen, for example you need that MG to cover a particular choke point on the map, if you notice a blob coming at you from a different position you would need to displace the MG, which would mean you'd lose that position and besides, if you don't act fast or are caught off guard the MG is dead.

Or you leave the MG and mortar in place and make another MG and mortar, or just MG, but then again it might be too late for them and by the time they hit the field you would already be screwed over by the blob.

I honestly don't think it would work. Taking ideas from a blobfest game such as DoW3 is not exactly the best way to reduce blobbing.

Nobody said DoW3, I said the first DoW, or simply DoW.

Hello, so I just thought of this today after watching this video about Dawn of War III: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Yk2IjxHLQ

Arch brought up Dawn of War's morale system which got me thinking, what if CoH, CoH 2 and any future Company of Heroes games had a morale system similar to Dawn of War's one?

Morale was basically a different but similar suppression system where a squad could be "broken" by heavy incoming fire or taking a lot of casualties, reducing the unit's effectiveness and making the squad prone to being easily wiped out.

Now I'm not sure how this would work in CoH, but I remember a few of CoH's mods had a "surrender" mechanic where a squad would surrender if: it took a lot of casualties, was against overwhelming odds or it was taking on immense fire, it was either one of the 3 or a combination but I'm not so sure how it was caused exactly, but the squad just surrendered if the criteria was met.

So how I would imagine it would work in CoH 2 would be that you had a secondary bar, above the or under the health bar, like in DoW, where morale would be. This bar would indicate your squad's morale.

So, it would basically combine with the suppression system when facing MGs, but only the morale would be put into effect during ordinary combat.

If a squad meets with an overwhelming force, or sustains many casualties (or other squads around it sustain heavy casualties, or get wiped out) or takes a lot of incoming enemy fire, it's morale will drop and the unit will be rendered less effective, so a smart player would be wise as to spread out his units more instead of just bunching them up and A-moving them altogether. So instead of just getting a debuff from just having a lot of units in a single area, you would lose morale and get suppressed from an active factor, not a passive such, which would be more logical.

So if you have 3 squads, and decide to move them altogether to a single area, they wouldn't get a debuff, but if they are met with a similar or smaller force in a better position, which is not in the open, they will not be able to roflstomp them because of 2 things: You will lose more morale if you are not in cover, and you will lose morale because of the amount of troops you will lose until you reach said enemy's covered position, so having the tactical advantage of having units in a better position will win the battle.

However, if even one or 2 squads are in a good position behind heavy cover, they will not be able to hold out against enemies that are coming from multiple directions or are out-flanking them, again having the tactical advantage win you the battle.

So cover will be a huge factor for morale, just like it was in the first DoW. You could just take it as a similar fight to an MG, you can't just roflstomp an MG with a blob head on, most of the time, because you will get suppressed, so you try to flank it somehow and come at it from different directions. The situation with morale would be similar, altho the "broken" squad would not be suppressed or pinned like it would be from an MG, unless there are loads of weapons aimed at the squad, but would take more casualties and would be less effective since it wouldn't be in a tactically advantageous position.

Now, a few things here, first of all, I am not sure if this has been brought up before, if it has, I apologise but I haven't noticed it.

And second, yes, an anti-blob debuff would be easier, less complex and faster, but what I propose is a smarter and easier for casuals system that would not only help the competitive people of the community, but the casual part of the community as well, because of the added graphic of a "morale bar" and the easier explanation of "morale" rather than just telling someone they will get a debuff if they stack their units together.

I am not sure how to implement this, or how much performance it would take compared to the simple anti-blobbing debuff, but I just thought I'd throw it out there as an idea, maybe someone with the necessary modding knowledge, experience and time will be able to whip up something presentable so we can see if my idea will actually work.

Well, that's about it, sorry for my long paragraphs of text but I'm trying to cover all possible angles and questions about my idea.

Cheers and have a nice day.

Dude, wtf is wrong in this board with some users? Same thing I also answered to @DonnieChan.

I did not write anything offensive, I just stated that the poll is more or less balanced (currently more in favor for the ideas), I didn't call you an asshat or anything and still you accuse me of day-dreaming and that I ran out of counter-arguments like we were currently discussing some stuff about the Paris climate convention. It's an idea about a game, nothing more, lol.

You write something, I tell you that it is not true, which can be also checked when looking at the poll, don't take it as an insult, it wasn't meant as one.

The only thing stated by your reply is that you like to attack people personally in a discussion about ideas, which is always a good way to go. "Oh I don't like your ideas, mimimi, I'm gonna attack you for that".

If I didn't want to hear other opinions, I wouldn't have included a fucking poll.
No reason to get Trumpy, mate.

Nobody said you wrote anything offensive, nor am I offended.

And while I agree with some of your points, you have an unrealistic view.

You're seeing this from a competitive perspective and forgetting all about the rest of the bigger part of the community which is more casual.

That's your problem.

And you can't find a shred of proof of me attacking you personally, because I never did. I was just pointing at your flawed logic, if you accept that as a personal attack then so be it but I didn't mean it as such.