Profile of Tiger Baron

Now that you mention it, the USF do have the most varied artilery of the game.

3 mobile indirect fire units and 1 ability non-doctrinally and not to mention the mobile 105 on the Priest and Calliope as additional docrtinal mobile indirect fire units.

In stark contrast to the British, who believed in artillery being the kind of battle, are left with just 3 all around indirect fire units in total, with the Mortar pit not even being mobile, and the other 2 arguably underperforming compared to other units of the same role.

But all in all the mortar was added to the USF because of their liner tech-ing, designed as such for whatever stupid reason by you know it, Relic.

Take the US Army from CoH for example, with which you could take a different route than just spamming 3 Rifles straight out the bat because you had no other options. You could make Jeeps, snipers, machine gunners and mortars, but they were all T1, not T0.

My opinion? In order to solve the issue look back at what was successful and worked instead of trying to reinvent the god damn wheel.

How about ignoring yellow cover suppression reduction bonus at max vet?

This way, machineguns can still effectively suppress squads in a nuked area, but they still take less damage due to yellow cover's received accuracy bonuses.

In my opinion, ignoring suppression penalties rather than ramping up the suppression values would be preferable because it might end up vetted HMGs suppressing vetted squads in a half burst on open ground.

Green cover unaffected.

Yeah if possible that would also probably work.

well said, honestly the worst thing relic did was removing OKW and UKF's unique design. Then adding in more generic crap like USF mortar to make every faction the same, hell even little stuff like changing the Ost PIV model to the same as the OKW one.

I was hoping on release we would have got a emplacement redesign possibly with some resource penalties to balance after people kicked up a fuss but instead Relic just took a lazy hammer and nerfed everything. Now brits have half their roster just not being used (Mortar pit, bofors, air landing officer, comet etc).

With the Bren nerf for example this was a great chance to make the Vickers K and brens perform different roles rather than the clones they have been on release. Maybe vickers less accurate but better mid to short range? Relics response? Nope just keep them the same boring clones but nerf them together.

Those were well intentioned but badly executed changes.

I can guarantee that you can keep an Army unique even if it has mostly the same roled units.

Take the Ostheer and Soviets for example, or the American Army and Wehrmacht of COH1, you could say that they're almost clones of each other however, they play very differently and if you want to you can even ask around to see which Armies people think are the most balanced.

Hahahah makes armies too similar to each other?!?! They literally gave USF a mortar team out of the blue a few patches ago ????

Honestly I’d take game balance and fairness over uniqueness of armies any day. What I think is so perfect about this is that it literally goes with the theme of UKF infantry being better in cover/garrisoned. They can still have their beautiful mortar pit creation if they want, essentially all we’re doing is making its garrison bonus that it shoots when a mortar team is in it.

Sounds to me like Lelic are just being stubborn for the sake of it.

It's not just Relic, it's also the small part of the game's competitive community as well.

Why do you think the FA bonuses were removed as you said. Or why the Brits are underused in the competitive scene?

Because people cannot and will not play with them because deep down the British still contain what made them special from CoH, and people absolutely hate that. That is also the reason why they're having so much trouble with the OKW HQ trucks as well, both playing with it and balancing it.

CoH was a more slower, bigger scale tactical game where there was a lot of RNG involved and that made it feel realistic in the sense that there are unforseen circumstances which can curb your actions, that is severely decreased in CoH2 because it doesn't fit in with the game's competitive e-sports narrative.

So yes, these changes and many more which were the most logical steps in actually balancing the game for the bigger part of the game's community were not undertaken because of the new Relic and select few "elite" on here for which we need to stride to become in order to "properly" play the game.

Nobody wants to acknowledge that most of the people playing this game have a job and a life and just wanna sit down and relax for a few hours, not to have the game as their full time job or make it an unhealthy obsession like it's some kind of sport worth watching.

Sounds good. Honestly though, I think if the mortar pit worked like that it could be free/100mp max, you're already paying 300mp or so for the mortar team anyway. It would essentially be a trench (which are free) for mortars. I think the best way to go about it is give Brits a 4 man mortar crew like US/Wehr that can garrison a buildable, empty mortar pit for access to an extra mortar and increased range, thus keeping the mortar pit basically the same in order to protect emplacements etc, but allowing Brits access to a portable mortar as well.

If we're going in to specifics, I believe PlanetSmasher made each mortar team 240 man power. So combined 2 mortars and the Artillery pit cost around 580 man power.

So you're basically paying 180 manpower on top of the current mortar pit in order to be able to get the mortars out and relocate them if needed which, to me at least, is justified because I have always believed that mobility is what won in CoH, even if you dug in if you could tear down everything and relocate that still counted as mobility to me, that's also the reason why I enjoyed the British in CoH so much.

You hit a good spot which you could defend, you dug in hard with trenches and emplacements but as soon as you started pushing you could tear down (delete emplacements, leave trenches) everything and simply move up the line before digging in again.

That is not possible in CoH2 because of 3 reasons:

No mobile HQ trucks and the lack of the ability to make them.

You cannot delete emplacements anymore as easily.

And lastly they chose the new trench model for some dumb reason which sticks like a sore thumb on the battlefield and looks like a half dug trench with dirt around it, not an actual proper trench like in CoH.