tell me the faction you have problem to deal with OKW schwerer.
USF? its one of the easierst faction to deal with it:
USF callins, mortar, at guns, easy access for smoke, etc etc
UKF? get mortar pit in range (heavy barrage can easily outrange the most nonodc cpunters easy) at gun, smoke, callins, offmap, howitzer barrages, gammon bombs,etc
sov? at gun, mortars, smoke + demos, satchels, t34...so easy...
What does any of this have to do with the lethality of the flak gun? This thread isn't about destroying the flak HQ
Due to infantry clumping, the flak HQ gets all kinds of kills it really shouldn't. Like multiple kills on the first shot just because the squad clumped at the wrong time
That doesn't mean it's hard to destroy. It's durability has absolutely nothing to do with that point |
go and play as axis and learnt to fight bofors, which are incredibly much more dangerous than a okw t4.
it cost muuuuch less ressurces, is way more durable to brace.
it has arty mode, ground attack, way more dmg and is much less riski to lose and even when you lose it..rebuild it and you are fine.
The bofors has nothing to do with this thread
For once in your life try to stop being so absurdly biased. You don't have to counter every single complaint about Axis by crying about something the allies have
The OP made clear and concise claims and even acknowledged that some allied things could be nerfed. But that's not enough for you, you just have to cry about allies no matter what  |
Honestly. If minefield is only in soviet. I will complain about it too.
I'm not pulling faction OP argurment.
I was just talking about the person I quoted, not you |
shit tier take
His take reads a lot like your posts, except you do it for allies instead of axis |
Ok it obvious that you are trying to pick up a fight and I am not interested so I stop here.
It's called disagreeing. I made it very clear which point I disagree with
And I'm clearly not the only one who disagrees, but call it whatever you want |
A whole list of difference from which you cherry picked 2 random things has nothing to do with your sentence:
"The mobility difference is relevant but the survivability difference isn't important."
Uhhh it has everything to do with that sentence
You clearly thought the mobility difference was relevant, since you listed it and provided the numbers
Then you just skipped the durability cause "it does not really mean that much", which is total nonsense |
I have not posted anything close to that sentence.
Yeah okay...
Main difference here is that SU-85 counter heavy armor with higher armor much better and here is the comparison:
JP vs SU-85
Cost
400mp/135 fuel vs 350mp/130 point goes to SU-85 for being cheaper both in fuel and manpower
Pop
15/15 point foes to Su-85 since it can counter unit with higher pop better (heavy armored tanks)
Penetration
200/185/170 vs 240/230/220 point goes to Su-85
mobility
Speed: 5.5/Accel: 1.9/Rotate: 20 vs speed: 5.7/Accel: 2.1/Rotate: 22 Point goes to SU-85
ROF
5 vs 5.65 point goes to JP
XP value
2150/4300/8600/10750/14298 vs 1790/3580/7160 point goes to SU-85
Now as I pointed out the main thing JP over SU-85 is durability which does not really mean that much.
JP is good at keeping other TD at distance but that is about it.
You felt the need to point out a difference of .2 speed and accel/decel, and 2 rotation rate
Yet when it comes to armor, target size, and extra health with vet, you just mention it on the side and try to downplay it's importance
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Ahh yes the su85s patented mobility. It's basically a formula 1 car turned assault gun
"The mobility difference is relevant but the survivability difference isn't important."
BS on a whole other level, it's truly something else |
No movement penalty?
The only thing he could possibly be referencing is their old coldtech bonus of being immune to deep snow
As for why he's referencing it I have absolutely no clue |
JP was a T1 so it was expensive but when it was moved to T4 and had additional tech cost and other unit to compete with it did nto received a discount.
So currently its price/pop/XP value are too high for TDs vs mediums.
Considering their fuel income used to be handicapped it didn't need a discount. The JP4 is not overpriced at all, your own comparison even shows that. It's BARELY more expensive then the su85 while having much better survivability (and yes that does matter)
. The understand the armour you have to reflect on the original design of OKW.
Fair enough, cause the original design of OKW didn't make any sense either
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