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Their pretty mediocre AT honestly. The penetration is junk, they struggle to break through the front of an Ostheer Panzer IV. Even Elite Bazooka's against an OKW Panzer IV have only a 2/3 chance of penetration at point-blank range. Compare to a Panzershreck which is guaranteed to penetrate an a T-34/Sherman/Cromwell at max range. Honestly Anti-Tank Rifles might even be more reliable than Bazooka's because of their high accuracy and guaranteed deflection damage.

But even if they struggle they are a very cheap squad, and when you combine them with any other tank of your own or an at gun they will give You enough edge over Ur opponent. That is the real problem - they will deal more damage than You basically pay for. Having such cheap and potent units in Your unit mix makes it unbalanced. They can make all mines useless, are cheap to buy and reinforce, easy to vet, get the 5th men and can deal significant damage to tanks on top of being able to repair them. Axis don't have anything like that. When they had much more superior tanks it was fine. Now axis should have access to sth similar in their rooster as well to even it out.

I think the only solution is to make selected TDs ignore the health pools of the vehicles and concentrate on the % damage like I wrote earlier (plus the "not less than, for example 100hp, exception). Either this or the struggle will continue for the next couple of years (as it already has). Te only thing to do is to decide which TD will destroy with how many shots. Simple and effective.

Replying to Achpawel above.

USF does not have any late game armour option except Jackson. Unless they go doctrinal armour, most of which are not heavy and cannot compete with Axis heavies and the Panther.

I keep saying this but the problem is Allies generally have no options for heavy armour.

The only reason why Axis heavy armour seens nothing but Jacksons from USF is because they have no heavy armour. It would be cool to see heavy armour but the only option is heavy armour vs Jackson against USF.

True - but I feel that the current problem is that mediums just make no sense completely. With this solution they would simply make more sense and it would not change the current TDs vs heavy tanks situation. They would still require the similar/same number of shots to destroy a heavy tank. They, however, would be less potent against mediums because they would require the same number of shots to destry a medium tank as well. They would be worse at dealing with light vehicles and mediums would be better here (however this could be coded so that a TD shooting at a light just deals 20% of their health damage but no less than X damage and this way TDs would kill lights in a similar way to a medium tank).

So would LVs be. Two Pumas that can take 4 shots each from a TD would just simply stomp any TD. Even without HEAT shells

And on the other hand heavies would become literally useless. Got a Churchill croc ? 2 Stug IIIs and it is gone ( 2 Shots from each Stug )

The system would just be completely broken.

It would be broken this way, but if you balanced it, it wouldn't. Just like I wrote - it should be balanced and my idea is just a starting point. Puma (tbh I wouldn't treat it as a tank destroyer and leave its current stats - it is ok the way it is). Stug III, a better example, would probably be set to 6 shot everything (but that is another example where one could toy with the idea of leaving it as a unit with fixed damage or make it similar to TDs, I'd leave it as it is now probably). Jackson could become a 5 shooter, just like su85, stugIV or Firefly. Those are the primary culprits (60range) in the game which shut medium armour. The rest could be just left the way they are (like su76, another example). No need to put all TDs into the same basket, just the system of counting damage for some tank destroyers would be different and actually even easier to understand by new players once properly addressed in the unit desctiption. One could also think whether those super heavy TDs should also be treated this way (4 shoot everything?)

Yea ... no. If you only spam TDs , then the enemy will just roam freely with his Infantry

Not really. USF very often builds just Jacksons and shut off all armour. And then they invest in infantry or indirect weapons.

Using my idea Jacksons' performance wouldn't change against heavies but they would need the same number of shots to kill mediums - pretty gamechanging imo and in the way that many players want it. Those TDs would still have range advantage.

No. They would be killed like 3 times as quickly

If it gets balanced right around this idea, they won't.

Nice. Now you got a Puma that can take 5 shots from a Firefly.

No need to worry, explained above. Just let's just not put puma into TDs basket.

Better , but not very well. Ever saw a Sherman / T 34 76 / Cromwell fight a Vet 1+ Puma with Heat shells ?

I hope you realize that this idea is very flawed. No offense, but it would basically screw the whole system.

Explained above and hope it also clears such possible problems.

Edit: Of course all i wrote above is just a suggestion that can be worked on. Those 60 range TDs could kill all tanks with a bigger or smaller number of shots or there could be differences between them (one needs 5, another 6 shots, for example).

a target table would be much more better.

Can U explain? Sounds interesting.