Profile of general_gawain

I do think it is really sad that Mechanized got pretty much entombed by commander patch. Since 16th of june it ranks at USF ninth commander loadout place of nine in 2vs2/3vs3/4vs4 for the categories "all" players and for "top200" players. In 1vs1 it ranks at 6th place of nine for "all" players and "top200" players.

It is sad because this commander has 3 unique units (WC51/76mm Sherman/Cavalry Rifles) and two more units that you get only at a few USF commanders (M3/Mortar HT).

I do think the basic problem that lead to the nerf was a timing push in 1vs1 of the first two 76mm Shermans with Combined Arms activated and some infantry nearby (of course). WC51 already was nerfed at that point, there was no problem with it anymore.

Removal of Bulldozer Blade and reduction of 76mm RoF of normal shell seems to be too much. I argued that way before the patch was launched already. Looking back now I do think I was right about it.

As I said before I still think either take back 76mm RoF nerf or give more AI damage to AOE to compensate (larger OHK or more damage in outer AOE). I personally don't mind the removal of Bulldozer Blade upgrade for normal Sherman, but the 76mm as the core of this commander deserves some attention.

In addition to address the timing push in 1vs1 remove combined arms and replace with some offmap howitzer ability. That way it should get somehow more interesting for multiplayer games incidentally. Two problems solved with the exchange of one ability.

So are suggesting that KV-1 should trade 10 more range for relaod. Glad that we got that out of the way.

I'm suggesting one possible outcome because you repeatingly asked for it. My first post only was about making the abilities the same, which way ever. There would be many other options too.

It seem that you are also suggesting to nerf the Ostheer ability.

Regarding damage reduction: If you have a problem with reducing incoming damage from 25% to 20%, go with 25%. I really don't care about that. KV-1 would need 9 penetrating hits either way so there is no real change.

Regarding range: Panther and StuG go from 62,5 to 60 range (still enough), all other lower ranged tanks tanks stay the same. Its only a real nerf for Elephant, but it would still have 80 range and could kill 7pdr emplacement with attacking ground (which it shouldn't do). Are you okay with an Elephant with 87,5 range? You would cry out pretty loudly if you could hull down the ISU-152 that way. If I remember correctly 80 range was already too much. So again, i'm asking you directly: Do you think a Super Heavy TD with 87,5 range should exist in this game?

Imo the extra range for KV-1 would be a straight buff buff for both 1vs1 and 4vs4 and a buff the unit that simply does not need.

I explained with examples already why I do think RoF is better in 1vs1 and it is a nerf for 1vs1. In 4vs4 it would be a needed buff if I look at allied winratio in that game mode.

I am not sure why we are focusing on what he did say or did not say.

It is my opinion that changing

+15% reload speed
-20% received damage

for

+25% weapon range
-25% received damage

would be a buff to the KV-1 (it seems that general_gawain also thinks it would be a buff also but I am sure he can clarify his own opinion on matter.)

Asking for buff on KV-1 (balance change) for "quality of live and transparency" reason simply does not make sense to me. If the issue is "quality of live and transparency" changing the name of one of the abilities is a better/safer solution.

To be clear: I never said soviet hulldown should be buffed to Ostheer hulldown level. I only said I want to have them the same. So transforming Ostheer one in soviet one would do the trick too. You were the one who first assumed that I meant it that way at post #9.

I drag-clicked directly on the "0" line. Everything adds up. "Sticking out" vehicle length may be 2 or 3 here, but definitely not 5.

Yeah, i can see. In addition we can see that the sight range is not 60 at Vet1 to Vet3.

Ostheer hull down vehicles face 60 range TDs with high penetration, KV-1 do not.

So Panther gets 62,5 range because it has to face 60 range TDs? KV-1 has to face 50 range Panthers and 50 range StuGs without getting a range of 50 which makes its hulldown obsolete. And whats the reason for PZIV or Ostwind getting 50 range? They won't retaliate vs TDs but face no other unit where they need to have 50 range.

Even with 50 range KV-1 would still be outranged by Ostheer AT-Gun, PAK43, JPIV, Jagtdtiger, Elephant, hulled down STuG or hulled down Panther. So balancewise there would be no problem. There are enough nondoctrinal and doctrinal countermeassures and in addition hull down is not available right from the start fo a Vet0 KV-1 like the Ostheer ability.

The only real balance problem with hulldown is the Elephant in multiplayer at laney maps. 87,5 range which can even shoot 7pdr Emplacements without retaliation is just a little bit silly. The cone of the fixed shooting arc gets quite wide at the end by the way. But I do think that is no problem for you.

Hulldown should give -20% received damage and a fixed +10 range for all tanks: Ostheer and KV-1. That way it would be a lot more transparent and wouldn't grant 17,5 range to Elephant...