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Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback17 May 2021, 20:14 PM You misunderstood me in so many ways that I will summarize my most important statements since it seems you doesn't read all I posted but looking a every of my sentences individually without context. Jump back to quoted post17 May 2021, 14:40 PMVipper That is simply false, 76mm AP's AOE are identical to 75mm AP rounds while the gun fire faster. Shocking news, I said that they have the same AOE profile a few post above. The important difference is, that the AP shell of 75mm it is the shell meant to fight vehicles/tanks. The real AI shell (HE) has a strong AI value. You have to switch to fight infantry as intended at shell switch mechanic. Jump back to quoted post17 May 2021, 14:40 PMVipper 76mm AP rounds is on of the best, from all around rounds, in the AT role among medium tank. Only T-34/85 has better penetration but with lower ROF. I would exchange AP from 76mm versus HE from 75mm or standard shell of PZIV any time. Imagine how op 76mm would be if the AP shell would be the PZIV shell. So don't tell me it is one of the best allround shell, it just sucks at fighting infantry. Jump back to quoted post17 May 2021, 14:40 PMVipper Just because HAVP round are superior that does not mean they are bad. Why having a shell switch if both shells are better at AT than AI. What is the meaning of it? Jump back to quoted post17 May 2021, 14:40 PMVipper The fact it can penetrate Tigers with 100% does make it "suck" unless in your opinion PzIV gun "suck badly" vs anything with armor better T-34/85 You misunderstand me again. The PZIV shell would be soo good for 76mm, it doesn't have to penetrate Tiger with AP, it has to be better at AI to make shell switching between HVAP and AP a real decision. Jump back to quoted post17 May 2021, 14:40 PMVipper The round are simply good (for units of it class/role) and the unit can fight both tank and infatry with them effectively. Can fight infantry effectively? Again: Worst AOE profile of all generalist tanks (shared with E8 and AP from 75mm of course). Jump back to quoted post17 May 2021, 14:40 PMVipper Funny that you make this suggestion because then it would have to switch rounds depending on target which according to you is a "Big disadvantage". According to you are suggesting a nerf. No it is not, if both shells perform accordingly a little stronger. Just please read what I wrote a few posts above or I won't answer anymore. Jump back to quoted post17 May 2021, 14:40 PMVipper Soviet 76mm never lost the crew, the USF version simply gained one. It got lost as the tank was ported from USF to Soviet without a compensation. Tank crews are part of price/performance of USF tanks. That isn't so hard to understand. Jump back to quoted post17 May 2021, 14:40 PMVipper You mean the Soviet faction has no use for T-34/85 or KV-1? The problem with your mentality is that you are comparing a medium main battle tank with TD and expecting the MBT to be superior AT role. That would simply be broken. Oh man, I said more than once that T-34/85 and KV-1 are a strong addition to SU-85 since they shield better (survivability) and fight infantry very effictively, that is the one thing Su-85 lacks. Soviet need no AT tank that is worse than Su-85 in every single way, they need a tank that supplements the SU-85 like T34/85 or KV-1. Please apply the effort to not only read my last post but maybe the 3 to 4 above it. There you will find the answers to your arguments already. The 105mm for example would be a very good edition to Soviet roster at Land Lease, the 76mm with current performance just isn't because it adds something that Soviets simply don't need. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback17 May 2021, 13:42 PM Jump back to quoted post17 May 2021, 06:52 AMVipper The 76mm AP rounds are simply not bad in AT. Here is a simply DPS comparison between the 76mm and Ostheer PzIV in live. First of all the standard shell should be the one that is somehow good at AI and it just not good at AI. As I said it is the worst AOE profile of all generalist tank. Given the high armor of both PZIV variants you want to use HVAP shells to fight them. AP shells are only superior versus low armor targets because of the slightly faster RoF. Secondly you will fight higher armored tanks pretty soon with 76mm, at that point AP rounds suck. So I wouldn't say AP rounds are good at AT. If this tank should stand any chance in soviet roster then drastically reduce the penetration at AP rounds so that they are only useable versus light tanks and vehicles, buff AOE and take back RoF nerf. In addition give something like crew repair to make up for loss of tank crew. Again, soviet faction has no use for a T4 tank that wants to be AT but gets outplayed in every single stat by T4 Su-85: Accuracy, range, RoF and penetration. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback16 May 2021, 23:55 PM 1. Obviously having to switch between two shell modes to get good AI or good AT is a disadvantage compared to a tank who has the same AI and AT values combined in one standard shell. I do think this is out of question. 2. With the nerf to RoF AI and AT performance of the standard shell the 76mm got worse at AI and AT compared to the performance it had before. This one should be out of question too. 3. Given the armor values of axis tanks 120 long range pentration with a RoF above 5 seconds shouldn't be considered as "good at AT". 4. A 80 damage kill radius of 0,88 in combination with an AOE of 2 with a far damage of 8 shouldn't be considered as "good at AI". It is in fact the worst AOE profile of all generalist medium tanks (shared only with E8 shells and AP shells of 75mm Sherman). The idea of a shell switch is that you have a strong AT shell with little to no AI value and vice versa. both shells should be individually stronger in their section than the shell of a similar priced tank which combines AI and AT in one shell. This mechanic should be obvious to all around here. If a tank fails to be good in one of the two shell modes the shell switch gets obsolete, because you will be pretty much always be in the other better mode. While HVAP shell of 76mm is good at AT, standard shells are not good at AI and not good at AT either of course (see 3. and 4.). With 76mm standard shells not beeing good enough at AI and HVAP easily getting overshaded by SU-85 in range, accuracy, penetration and RoF there is no reason for the existence of M4C at a Soviet commander. I'm done. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback16 May 2021, 12:25 PM Jump back to quoted post15 May 2021, 14:04 PMthedarkarmadillo The 85 and m4c fill different roles though, admittedly the m4c role is unneeded AND its bad at it, but there lies the issue, not in comparison. soviet have 2 6 range TDs and a full power AT gun. they dont need an AT tank, especially not one that is squishy and less versatile than the t-34/76. if you want swarms of tanks then the t34 fills that role better than any tank, if you want reliability then you have TDs. the best tank to fill the slot would probably be the 105 sherman as it ISNT competing with the stock roster Yeah, thats true. SU-85 is a reliable and pretty cheap nondoc TD at 60 range, so T34/76, T34/85 and KV-1 are good additions because they have a strong AI performance. Thats the part the SU-85 is missing completely. While T34/76 has a good HP to cost ratio the other two can take a beating. Main problems of M4C: Its worse at AI and worse at shielding SU-85 (soaking up damage). I always said M4C standard shells need AOE damage profile of Cromwell. The shell switch alone (6 seconds) is already a big disadvantage at fighting different targets, so this surely would not be op. In addition I would vote for a self repair ability. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback15 May 2021, 00:48 AM Jump back to quoted post14 May 2021, 23:53 PMChukiki t34/85 are way too inaccurate. It is NOT fine for it's price. Any bad soviet will go for t34s instead of SU85 and lose his game. When ever I lose a team game i know why it is. ANd i have to SHOUT at my team mate telling him to stop making fricking t34s. Did you considered combined arms? T34/85 for murdering infantry and supporting at AT while eating the damage (800hp), Su-85 for sniping Tanks from the back. Maybe it is just me but that sounds like a strong combo, just don't shoot on the move. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback14 May 2021, 23:39 PM Jump back to quoted post14 May 2021, 21:52 PMthedarkarmadillo Does the ost commander with the p4 with skirts get 5 levels of vet? No it doesn't because that's a faction trait. As is usf crews. I don't think you really can compare something that you get at Vet4 or Vet5 with something you get directly out of the box and has an ongoing big game impact like vehicle crews. But of course it is a faction trait and it would be just plain dumb to give vehicle crews to Soviets. All USF tanks have the ability to get fast back into action without spending expensive abilities for it. That is factored in at their cost and performance. If you take such a tank and remove such a basic feature of it to plant it into another faction at the same cost you just can't expect to get the same performance out of it. Land Lease Tactics is at direct competition with Shock Army and Guard Motor Coordination Tactics in your commander layout, since all three of them give you elite infantry and premium medium tank plus three other useful abilities. M4C just can't stand up to T34/85, the last nerf which was aimed at USF Mechanized just made it worse. Don't get me wrong, M4C doens't have to be such a powerhouse as T34/85 but it needs soemthing to set it apart. Fast repair on its own, more speed, versatility... whatever... something... Jump back to quoted post14 May 2021, 21:52 PMthedarkarmadillo Whats more do m4c crews help your T70? Your quad? Your su85? Your team mates shit? There is a hell of a lot of versatility in having ALL your stock infantry be able to repair. Far more than a single tank you may or may not even build being able to fix itself. Con repair in itself is a fantastic ability and far from a lost slot. It's one of the least niche abilities in the game since you will always have infantry and always (at least plan to) have vehicles that need repairs. The versatility is nearly as unparalleled as its saturation. It's a great ability that isn't tied to a meh tank. You are absolutely right about this. Especially with the additon of the penals this ability got quite good. Even if MC4 would have a own repair ability it wouldn't be a wasted slot and I never said that. I only wanted to show alternatives that could work out too and be thematical on top (like M3 repair truck that would help your teammates and your other vehicles/tanks a lot). I'm just afraid of Land Lease getting the short end of the stick because of a M4C that just turns out to be medicore as a central piece of this commander. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback14 May 2021, 18:17 PM Jump back to quoted post14 May 2021, 16:46 PMthedarkarmadillo Holy fuck... Only on these forums could there be a situation where literally every single stock squad of infantry you build can repair tanks and people would be like "yea but the tank should heal itself" Just tell me what is better: A) Every stock infantry unit can repair tanks at the cost of one commander ability and the unit beeing busy for repair time (of course). B) Tanks have crews that can disembark to repair tank by itself (and give you some additional advantages). It came up because M4C is a directly import of USF faction and just to be fair UKF Lend Lease M10 + M5 got same repair treatment without having to spend a precious commander ability for it... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Brummbar performance14 May 2021, 14:50 PM Jump back to quoted post14 May 2021, 12:20 PMJilet I thought putting it in a situation that is more realistic than getting to the back of the Churchill as a casemate tank was a better idea. But I'll do the thing later on when I'm available brother. Nice on. Thx. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Brummbar performance14 May 2021, 12:15 PM Jump back to quoted post14 May 2021, 11:56 AMJilet Yes. I ran this entire thing for you to see that it doesn't work that way and even installed bandicam and uploaded it to youtube only for you. You can clearly see 2 shots are deflecting and it is not 100% penetration. https://youtu.be/xmvpIaIK_Hw Why are the StuGs are shooting from the side? There is no side armor so it is either rear or front armor that gets hit. Maybe there is a small angle where it is depended on RNG if you hit rear or front. That could have happened in that video. Edit: Same video with Churchill turning its back to StuGs please. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback14 May 2021, 11:17 AM Jump back to quoted post14 May 2021, 06:07 AMVipper When it comes to Soviet M4 it is already has smoke over other Soviet tank and it is also easier to benefit from radio net than USF one. The advantage that T70 can give Radio Net Bonus to Vet1 M4C is easily more than outweigthed by the mechanism that you will put your vetted light vehicle / light tank crew in your newly build 76mm at USF. Thus having an instant Vet1 - Vet2 medium tank. Since Vet2 is the true powerspike of 76mm, this is way more valuable than having a slight advantage at Radio Net if you kept your T70 alive. Jump back to quoted post14 May 2021, 05:48 AMZeroZeroNi You do remember that the doc M4C Sherman come from has con repair kit. And now that even penals can repair, Your entire army not just the 2 engines can repair the tank, it already has access to versatile repairs as you can you use your front line infantry. Only that it puts your Cons/Penals at combat/caping downtime and costs you a whole commander ability. Vehicle Crews have such a high value (crew swap, repair, critical repair ability with vet, repair of other tanks/structures, caping...). USF tanks have the advantage of their vehicle crews factored in their price and combat performance (thats the reason USF tanks are less meaty). So granting M4C to soviet army with the removale of vehicle crews at same cost is obviously a reduction of the overall tank performance/power level. The nerf to standard shell RoF (which was mainly aimed at USF mechanized Company) just took it over the top. KV-1 and T34/85 murder infantry and are still doing fine at AT performance, M4C just can't stand up to that since it's stronger HVAP penetration doesn't make up for it lower survivability and worse AI performance. So either soviet M4C needs a price reduction or some additional tweaking. One way to buffer the difference to USF version could be the repair ability for M4C which should be paired with removal of Con/Penal repair kits. You could give Land Lease either a further UKF/USF unit or a medicore offmap instead. Alternatively you could just swap the repair kits with the M3 repair truck that is somewhere in the files (you can spawn it at cheatmod). That way you would have another thematically fitting commander ability at Land Lease which acts as a mobile repair unit which can be moved quickly near your M4Cs. In: COH2 Balance