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Thread: Nerf Panzerfusiliers12 May 2016, 12:42 PM Jump back to quoted post12 May 2016, 09:10 AMKatitof ... Exactly the same as any other snare in game. ... Same penetration but the least damage making the worse AT grenade in the game, even lower damage than the UKF one, that is actually getting a damage buff other AT grenades levels. Jump back to quoted post12 May 2016, 09:10 AMKatitof .. Pfussiliers right now are what penals are becoming next patch. ... Comparing a stock units with a doctrinal units is quite pointless trying to prove Penal are fine by comparing to P.F. is even more pointless. But I will humor you: P.F. need to spend 90 munition to come close to Penals. If you think that Penal are fine and comparable to P.F. lets take the AT grenade from PF (it is quite useless in mode anyway), reduce CP 0, increase cost to 310 and have them come with 3 K98 and 3 G43. Then will see is this will cause any balance issues or not.. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: (May Preview Mod) Penal Batalion12 May 2016, 06:36 AM Jump back to quoted post11 May 2016, 23:25 PMGumboot Sounds like its a good thing werh have MG42s from T0. So in the effort to fix maxim spam will drive Wer to MG42 spam. Jump back to quoted post11 May 2016, 23:25 PMGumboot Panzergrens do need a little love though but I think it should come in the form of a 5 man squad If these changes go ahead as in the patch it highly probable that Wer infantry squad sizes will have to be increased but I can hardly can see how a 5 men PG squad with 1 shreck will work. Blobbing these squad would be worse the VG blobs... Once again this patch is going to the wrong direction, because although the game was pretty much balanced in order to fix diversity issues it redesigns factions while creating major balance issues in the processes and reducing flavor in processes. But it seems that we are drifting a bit of topic.. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: (May Preview Mod) Penal Batalion11 May 2016, 22:33 PM Jump back to quoted post11 May 2016, 22:27 PMFiresparks the pgrens are not a good standard of measurement. They are not really useful aside from brain dead schreck spam. Maybe their are not but it is either them or grens and they also can not handle them... And since USF support weapons and Soviet stock infantry are buffed they should also receive a buff. In addition PG are the best stock infantry available to Wer if they cant handle Penals Ostheer does not have a stock infantry to handle them... And thas is one of the reason this patch is going down the wrong way. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: "Combined arms" from Heavy Cavalry 11 May 2016, 20:26 PM Jump back to quoted post11 May 2016, 19:29 PMThe amazing Chandler Thank you, Can you please clarify the "30 units"? In game length measurements, call them "game" meters if you like. In: Lobby
Thread: su85 feels somewhat nerfed. 11 May 2016, 18:26 PM Jump back to quoted post11 May 2016, 18:07 PMRedT3rror Here´s how I calculated for the Panther(vet2) comparison: a bit more complicated than that: you can use this formula if you want: Calculating DPS provided by cruz Total damage: accuracy(incremental, range, target_size, moving, cover)damage(cover)penetration(range, armor)burst bullets(range, moving)(1+reload frequency) Burst bullets: 1 if single fire, otherwise Burst duration(range, moving)rate of fire(range) Time required: (wind up+fire aim(range)+burst duration(range, moving)+wind down+cooldown(range, moving))(1+reload frequency) - cooldown(range, moving) - fire aim(range) + ready aim(range) + reload duration(range) DPS: total damage/time required Accuracy, penetration chance are capped at 1. Burst duration for non burst weapons is 0.125 (this game generally operates on 8 ticks a second, any amount of time is rounded to the closest 0.125). You will have to adjust rate of fire, burst duration, accuracy, cooldown and reload duration all with range. The one -cooldown is because there won't be a cooldown after the last burst before a reload. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: su85 feels somewhat nerfed. 11 May 2016, 16:51 PM Jump back to quoted post11 May 2016, 16:49 PMRedT3rror Mind telling me your formula? The one Relic uses, I simply made the changes in the xls file... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: su85 feels somewhat nerfed. 11 May 2016, 16:13 PM Jump back to quoted post10 May 2016, 16:54 PMRedT3rror Assuming the SU-85 is vet2, stationary and we ignore cooldown and gun rotation. The old SU-85 will need about 29 seconds or 10-11 shots to destroy a vet2 Panther on max range. The new one will need about 40 seconds or 7-8 shots. You number are off, these are the DPS of SU-85 (vet2) vs Panther (vet2) su85_d5t_85mm__mp 29.81 29.31 28.81 25.48 22.26 19.13 16.10 su85 new.--------------- 25.10 24.75 24.40 24.05 23.71 23.36 22.09 The old SU-85 becomes better only below 40... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: (May Preview Mod) Penal Batalion11 May 2016, 14:16 PM Jump back to quoted post11 May 2016, 13:56 PMKatitof Yeah, you'll get to vet3 with penals within these 3 minutes. Since you don't seem to play the game any more then me, first vet2 infantry appears around 8th minute. Vet1 at most and only if opponent won't be retreating until last man. In one game I managed to get to my first Penal battalion at vet 3 by minute 7 by placing it in house close to enemy base... By what time do you think Pg hit the field in a normal game? Even if only vet 1 Penals will already have bonus while PG need more XP to vet and only get a bonus at VET 2 (unless you consider medic kit a bonus) If you played the game you would probably know that you don't have to kill models to earn veterancy but it seem you think that opponent has to retreat when down to 1 man in order for one to gain veterancy... Jump back to quoted post11 May 2016, 13:56 PMKatitof Yeah, 3x34(102) is so much more then 5x22(110) or 5x20(100) or 4x28(112). Lets ignore squad size, because why the fuck not, after all every single squad in game have same number of entities and squads are balanced exclusively on model vs model basis, not squad vs squad. You don't pay to reinforce by squad size but by entity lost. They way you "try" bring the squad size is the calculation is completely wrong and indicates a strong bias... If in fight one player lose 8 PG entities with an effective HP of 8*80/0.80= 800 EHP that would cost him 272 MP. If his opponent loses the same EFH 800/80= 10 entities those would cost 250 for penal (no idea where you got the 22)or 200 for conscripts. In other words the axis player would had bleeded 9% more or 36% if one used merge. And that is without out counting the the fact that Pg have to retreat earlier or that it would take them allot more time to reinforce or that in the case of penals the damage will spread to more entities so that will probably lead to less entities lost. Glad to see that you at acknowledge that Penal do not get "wrecked" by PGs. Your emote are so cute, but the rest of your post is rather poor, and pls try to use less profanities. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: (May Preview Mod) Penal Batalion11 May 2016, 13:46 PM Jump back to quoted post11 May 2016, 13:00 PMofield Of course pgs have higher tech costs, but you tech t2 anyways. Pgrens have -10% reduced reinforcement costs relative to production costs. penals don't. Pgrens wreck penals in mid and close range. Pgrens have grenades, Pgrens get schreck for late game purpose. Pgrens cost more, because pgrens are plain better than penals. It is not just the tech cost they come much later (by that time one probably has to make an AT unit) and so they are facing vetted units. PG reinforce with 34 which is allot more than most Allied infantry, 36% more than Penal (25) and 70% more than merge... Pg do not actually wreck Penals at mid, the fight is very much related to veterancy and cover. By vet 3 the break about even and usually PG get cut down when they try to approach. With shreck they simply change roles so it rather irrelevant. Pg are not "plain better" and are actually less cost efficient than Penal as AI, given the time the hit the field their cost and bleed. And that is one of the main issues with Penal they can beat or break even against axis stock infantries even when fighting in the axis optimum ranges. They can beat LMG gren far and PGs mid. The balance would be allot better if Penal had an optimum range (close mid or far and suitable weapon smg, carbine, bolts action/lmg and weapon upgrades, vet bonuses and vet abilities to much) so axis could use relative positioning to gain an advantage over them. (The some goes for st 44 V.G. probably in lesser extend). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: (May Preview Mod) Penal Batalion11 May 2016, 12:31 PM Jump back to quoted post11 May 2016, 12:22 PMKatitof That is a reading comprehension fail on your part. I never said they don't get any defensive bonuses. Rifles are becoming tanky, cons are becoming tanky. Volks and penals are becoming more durable, but hardly tanky. No it is not, if you cant write what you want to say stop blaming others. First of all there is no mention to vet 3 bonuses and Pennal are more or about the same "durable" or "tanky" or what ever else you want to call until vet 3, furthermore there is no mention on the type of weapon you are talking about and Penal are tankier vs explosives, vs ballistic, and sniper due to extra entities. Second if you want to change the meaning of word as you see fit and expect other to understand you probably have to create you own dictionary. Penals are more durable then most axis infantry, their vet 1 ability increase their survivability and thus they are "tanky" Unfortunately I don't have the time to debate BS with you so have a nice day. In: COH2 Balance