Agreed. But this goes both ways. British forces, American Forces, Japanese Forces and Russian forces all committed war crimes. Just because some of them won the war, doesn't mean that their actions weren't aiding any kind of evil
Just wars happen, but just troops not.
Soviet military for robbery, rape and murder of civilians found themselves at the tribunal and had been executed. As far as I know, the Allies had a similar system, but in this area I am not strong.
Japanese Forces & Wehrmacht/SS not seen in Chinese, jews or Soviet people - humans. And not punished for war crimes against them. Because for them it was not a crime. Kill the pig is not a crime. For the Nazis, subhuman where they recorded their opponents were no better than pigs.
This is the reason for which Japanese killed millions of Chinese, as well as the Germans killed millions of Soviet civilians and Jews. While the Japanese have lost ~ 700K civilians and Germans lost ~ 1,5kk civilians. The figures are very revealing. Same with prisoners of war.
Not every Wehrmacht or SS soldier was the definition of pure evil. If people still can't see that nowadays,I don't know what to tell them
Of course not every. But it is not important. Non-resistance to evil is, aiding the evil.
Also, during the Cold War, not the entire Soviet people were members of the party. And not all supported the party. Regardless of this, the West called all the crowd - commies. Hell, somewhere in the Internet, I saw someone keeps calling us commies even now.
I think it´s ridiculous that the Sherman is remembered as a "death trap" and the T-34 seen as "best tank of the war" by many.
In fact, everything is simple.
Firstly, timing. In short: when the Germans faced the T-34, they had craptanks, when the Germans faced the M4, they had wundertanks.
Long story
Secondly, the glorification was profitable. Oddly enough, for everyone.
In short: exNazzi have justification for their defeat, USA have a reason for abandoning the M4 and funding programs M26 and etc. And the Soviet people have their pride of the winner. Including the construction of tanks. All happy.
Long story
My grandparents' town situated topgraphically at a point of defensive tactical significance was bravely defended by what remained of 5th SS in March of 1945, and I can tell you who the definitive barbarians were, and who committed and what gross atrocities first hand. It was not 5th SS.
The problem with the Germans staged a massacre that is very simple: the Wehrmacht and the SS would be wonderful, kind and generous people. The problem was the fact that all these good qualities were not extended to Untermenschs. Germans and they ally did not see in Jews and Soviet citizens humans.
Rather, something like humanoid animals. Which can and should rob, rape and kill. From all of these mattresses with human hair, lampshade from human lskin and other achievements of German industry.
Losses civilians most obvious indicator who is butcher and monster. The number of soldiers who died in prison are also good.
We have OKW, British and USF as standard of good vet 1. In my opinion, it is absolutely obvious that:
1) The engineers, line infantry and shock troops should have different bonuses in first vet. Same for vehicles.
2) Secure Mode, Trip Wire Flares and Med kits may stay but as the ability for 1-2 unit.
Trip Wire Flares for 1 vet engineers and AI partysans looks fine for me. Secure Mode for T-70 and maybe T-34-76 fine too.
3) We don't need usless crap like
First Aid should function identical to Brits but cost twice cheaper.
It anyway will be nerfed in the oblivion.
5) New 1 vet it can be anything - active or passive, the main that they have a value.
Look at Rifles - AT Grenade is useful. Yes, a long animation, but still is useful. Lieutenant have survival bonus. Pathfinders have additional sight range in cover. And etc.
Tracking for self-propelled guns crap too. That's funny realize that soviet have useful vet 1 for arty, heavy machine guns, mortars and M3/M5. Soviet vet 1 for all other units can be removed from the game whenever, no one will notice
And the vet one abilities being crap for soviets is so common among their units that I sometimes forget they have them lol.
To be honest, 1 vet Wehrmacht infantry (except sniper and team weapons) is crap too.
I mean - who need a one-time Medical Pack for 30 ammo when you can have bunker for 60 ammo who will heal until not destroyed?? Especially pity it stacks up against the British Medical Pack IS.
Anyway, 1 vet Wehrmacht tanks and TD is useful, unlike the Soviet counterparts.
They have same price. SU-85 is TD and PzIV is Jack of all trades. And SU-85 from T4 and PzIV is T3 vehicles. Anyway, PzIV may always run using smoke&blitz.
Contrary to popular belief, CAS inflicted few casualties on German tanks in NW Europe. Allied airpower was useful chiefly as interdiction, not combat air support.
Ardennes operation would have failed even without allied air support. German plan was too ambitious (since it was directed by Hitler) and did not anticipate that allies could very quickly move reserves into the battle.
I know that the efficiency CAS was significantly lower pilots reports. Nevertheless, the Allies had air support, and the Nazis - not. It is obvious that this was a serious trump for Allied forces.
My point is that Unless the SU goes with a doctrine for 34/85 or IS-2/ISU-152 the SU-85 is literally the pinnacle of their AT armor capability.
I go in Partysans, KV-1 or Guards&ISU and still no use SU-85 because:
1) SU-85 Vet 1 is useless. It's bad? It's OK? Just imagine Stug without TWP and jagdpanzer4 without stealth. Or M36/M10 without HVAP. Vet 1 will give soviet self-propelled guns NOTHING.
2) Weak survival. All Germans AT thrown in you Su-85 breaks through. No armor or HP vet bonus.
3) Focused Sight. 50% is great but penalty is great also. Spotting Scope or vet 2 jagdpanzer4 will give additional vision without drawback.
4) Useless against Elefant or Jadtiger. All soviet vehicles is useless against Elefant or Jadtiger. Why i must build most expensive soviet stock unit if he still ineffective against heavy TD?
5) Zero efficacy against infantry and AT gun.
6) Tech. You can not build SU-85 at the same time as PIV come.
Give SU-85 some sort of HVAP at 1 vet and we will be fine (like in Cruzz mod). Maybe.
Soviet military doctrine in WWII is not 'blitzkrieg'...
In Russia, it is believed that in 44-45 years, the Red Army began to successfully use elements of the blitzkrieg tactics. The most typical example lead the rout of one milion Japanese Army in Manchuria for 1 month.
Allies were also capable of manoeuvre warfare, as was aptly shown in Northwest Europe 44-45 and Italy in early 1945.
I do not see how it has helped them in the Ardennes. Without air support Allied forces not able to stand the impact caused by the Nazis, even at half strength, like in the Ardennes.
Soo, can anyone of you counter-factual thinkers come up with a feasible Causus-Belli, that would make the Soviet people willing to fight a war of aggression against the west in 1945?
The allies attacked first. More no options. Stalin got what he wanted at Yalta. The Soviet people was exhausted.
That is not relevant since German planes - all designed for low-mid range altitude got absolutely wrecked from above by USAAF planes. The key problem with making a low altitude fighter is that high altitude fighters can dive on them and climb again.
You do not understand the differences in the air battles on the Western Front from the Eastern Front. In the West, it is the bombing of cities, so everything revolves around escort and intercept heavy bombers.
In the East, everything revolves around the support for ground troops. Stukas and IL-2 can not throw bombs from the stratosphere. They need to be reduced. Therefore, fighting in small (up to 5, rarely 7 kilometers) altitude.
Therefore, Thunderbolt was popular in the West and in the East (was obtained by lend-lease), he was considered as unwieldy log. And was sent to the Soviet trash settler Air Forces - Air Defense.
Another example of Aerocobra and Kingkobra. Absolutely not popular in the West. Absolutely popular in the East.
Same for Fw-190. Soviet pilots always put the Me-109 above.
Not that any of that mattered, when we look at statistics in the Korean war it becomes clear that the battle hardened sovi.. I mean "North Korean" pilots were not of the same calibre as USAF pilots and were shot down 2 to 1 conservatively or 10 to one based on pilot reports.
Of course,"North Korean" pilots were not of the same calibre as USAF pilot. Just remember BLACK TUESDAY, lol.
As for pilot reports... Nowhere do not lie after the fishing, hunting or war (c)Russian proverb.
Based on USAAF target priorities and Operation Unthinkable we know which cities the US would of bombed if Stalin got uppity...The plan was to devastate Moscow, Nizhny Novgorod, Kuybyshev, Sverdlovsk, Kazan, Novosibirsk, Omsk, Leningrad and either Saratov or Stalingrad depending on the reconstruction of the latter.
The Germans used that sort of propaganda to try to keep going. It worked about as well as pinning medals to 12 year old "Storm Troopers" in Berlin '45.
Because grenadiers '41 at that time were imprisoned or dead. Quess where.
How would American planes/ doctrine fare vs soviet equivalents?
How would Pershing, fireflies,M18 hellcat, deal with ISU and IS2 supported by T34 spam etc?
You forgot IS-3. T-44 ... unlikely. That is, of course it would have been more than Pershing, but ... you know
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