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Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2016, 23:01 PMstonebone000

What does side armor have to do with the reload rate, exactly?

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2016, 14:41 PMOZtheWiZARD

There could be accuracy, scatter or something else affecting the results. Hell, 2 degrees difference is not that big and engine could be limited in terms of measurement intervals or something else. It could even be game bug or glitch or lousy code. That is not important. What is important, is that the very existence of random results while attacking target from side indicates that there is no side armour in this game, otherwise you would get consistent results every time.

The example you are talking about is most certainty due to projectile behavior or accuracy or scatter or AoE profile or simple glitch. And yes, I did observe it in game and frankly it is annoying because it kind of makes tank fights even more rng dependent and I really wish side armour was implemented in this game like it should have been from the very beginning but this is yet another shortcut Relic took while coding CoH2.

I don't remember exactly now but did CoH have side armour? Something tells me it did.

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2016, 21:06 PMMr.Smith

That's a good observation. However, the tests I have made don't show that firing at 90-degree angle will yield you 50% rear, 50% front. What they show is that the angle determines the probability.

Yes. It is entirely possible that scatter shots contribute to that skewed probability (instead of always front always rear).

However, the T-34 should have 60% accuracy at the range I used it. In both cases, the dominant side from where I fired the T-34 had at most 60-70% hits coming to it. Thus, if we go for the theory that:
- Dominant side determines direct hits
- Scatter hits spread according to angle

.. all scatter hits must have landed in the rear, which makes no sense.

Thus, there is probably something else going on.

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2016, 20:35 PMMr.Smith

That's what real world physics implies. That's not necessarily what relic implemented for their game. Real world also doesn't have heat-seeking projectiles for instance (direct hits).

I know that I have seen enemy tanks facing 10-degrees angles for me and I have still scored rear armour hits (however rarely). So, let's see how this turns out to be.

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2016, 19:50 PMMr.Smith

What Sinthe has found, and I now believe to be correct, is that there is no such division line such that:
- Beyond that, 99% of the hits are front armour (and 1% are irregularity)
- Before that, 99% of the hits are rear armour (and 1% are irregularity).

Instead, the angle determines the probability of which half of the armour will be used.

If you fire from a 90% degree angle, there's 50% chance of hitting rear, 50% of hitting front.

Thus, statistically, there actually exists the notion of side armour on the game.

However, everyone sit tight and wait until Cruzz verifies this.

It's not as easy to say that the armour of the Panther is (320 + 110)/2 (it depends on the penetration of the attacker), but:
- Attacking angle does matter
- Those rear armour hits from the front were not a bug; they were a feature.